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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg welcome back to

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the para cast this is gonna be our last

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episode for 2011 but we'll be back in

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2012 it's also Christmas Day when you

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hear this show so we hope that everybody

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around the world has a great holiday as

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you become mr. Scrooge

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there he is Scrooge McDuck bailing I got

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a hole in me roof where the rain gets in

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all right I think a lot of people feel

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that way in this day and age do you

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think we need et to come down here and

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kind of straighten this out I just need

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a bucket ATAR ah

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tell me more I'm curious I got a leak in

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my roof Oh seriously he does have a good

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pass roof so we're in a bad mood bah

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humbug

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okay so we're gonna hear it like drip

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drip drip for the entire show no that's

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that's that's my corny jokes and your

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humor

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you remember laughter we're gonna have a

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good show today though we are this is

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gonna be fascinating because he's a

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person whose name I've heard but I

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haven't really explored what he's got

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but before we get into that this one I

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mentioned a couple of things our friend

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Tim Beckley who has been kind of part of

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my life for I don't know 40 years or

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something like that we first became

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acquainted as teenagers and he was a

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really wild guy when it came to UFOs

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he's a I guess an ace promoter if

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nothing else he has a solid belief in

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the subject a family that had paranormal

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encounters and of course last week we

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Tim Beckley but also from time to time

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Tim serves as kind of a consulting

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producer for the show because he

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suggests guests and we don't obviously

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choose all the guests that he recommends

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but he recommends some pretty good ones

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from time to time and we bring them on

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the show we thought you know Tim has

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been such a good friend for so many

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years it's not fair to

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you take advantage of his promotional

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activities of his recommendations and

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not give him kind of a position with the

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show so what do you think Chris should

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we give him a consulting pretty think

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mr. Creepo should assume the position

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mr. Creepo not mr. UFO well he does have

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an alter ego too just like me oh this is

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gonna be fun so Tim Beckley is the

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consulting producer officially for the

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para cast you'll hear from him from time

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to time you'll also hear the guests that

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he brings a board and as you know Tim

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publishes books that are quite sensible

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people that we have on the show

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contributing he's obviously done work

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with our friend mr. O'Brien but also

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people like Nick Redfern but sometimes

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he publishes his books are pretty wacky

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wacky we kind of concentrate on the

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stuff that is sensible because Tim is of

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shouldn't tell people what to think

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he'll present the information they'll

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put it out there you think what you want

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about it if you don't agree with it

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don't buy the book if you buy the book

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and you don't agree well maybe don't buy

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anymore books I don't know but that's

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his position as a publisher my position

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Tim so he's helpful like him I like him

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too he's he's quite the trickster ish

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type of guy and we need a little bit of

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that energy I think here in 2012 2012 so

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is this gonna be the year that the world

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ends I don't think so I think we're

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transformational singularity we're all

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going to like I don't know how do the

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new a just say it

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transit into the fifth dimension why

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don't you define for our listeners who

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are learning no stop smack what you just

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said and what pray tell is a

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transformational singularity well you've

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heard of the Big Bang right yes is this

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gonna be the big bust no well you've

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heard of the big bang right of course

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scientists have it all bass-ackwards

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okay we're headed towards a big bang

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we're not coming from one they got there

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you know everything's just totally

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reversed it's it's 180 degrees here as

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we speak there's a helicopter flying

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over our studio here in Phoenix Arizona

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so if you hear this noise in the

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I didn't look outside to see if this is

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a black helicopter or not well I told

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them to keep their ear on you how

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closely my wife has actually been

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mentioning this with regard to 2012 she

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says how come we don't do shows on 2012

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and my response is I don't believe that

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anything's gonna happen in 2012 that

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hasn't already happened I mean the

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economy has been a mess so they'll

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continue to be a mess the political

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landscape continues to be a mess so

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what's gonna change just gonna be the

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same you know same old you know what

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different day different year it better

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get better because they can't get much

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more worse oops I know I shouldn't have

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said that

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sounds like the song from The Beatles

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I've got to admit it's getting better

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and then they did a counter chorus you

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can't get no worse that's a the John

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Lennon part yeah right that's his

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expertise and songs like that moving on

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to another subject just very quickly

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let's do the promotion again we opened

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up a new version of the official power

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cast store at store dot the power cast

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calm we have new t-shirt designs we have

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the mugs we have the cups we have the

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caps we also have mouse pads as anyone

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use mouse pads anymore now they all just

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tweet in text well I think you know

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people have their Android and iOS phones

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their iPhones so you're tapping you have

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iPads you're tapping so you don't need a

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mouse pad do you but we have one if you

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have an older computer and one of these

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older rollerball input devices well we

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have that to have it like 169 different

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products at store dr. Peric ascom and we

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make minimal profit I mean not much at

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all they let you set the profit this

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particular merchant lets you said what

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profit you want

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and I'm not very smart about business so

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I made it very low okay well one thing I

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can tell you Jean if aliens are us from

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the future there's one thing that

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doesn't make sense how come they don't

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have long like very like multi knuckled

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thumbs there have tiny little pads on

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the end I just I can't believe how many

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kids I see walking around with their

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heads looking down tapping their thumbs

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on these little tiny buttons on their

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phones I think if we evolve into some

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sort of texting life form our thumbs are

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gonna look a lot different don't you

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think and all these like ETS that people

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describe all the other fingers are long

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and spindly not their thumbs so I'm not

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sure if they're from the future and in

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us you know I know my son he's 25 now

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learn thumbing his nose at everybody no

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learn to use his thumbs with his basic

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feature phone before there were

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smartphones that were affordable we had

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RAZR and he was doing the thing with the

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thumbs now I don't do the thing with the

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thumbs on my iPhone I just take one

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finger and I tap I'm a single finger

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tapper you know that's what she told me

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that's right but you don't know the

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truth the truth is we have a fascinating

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a different slang for what we do on the

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on but Gary is one of those

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just he's an amazing researcher he's a

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provocative was some of the interesting

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information he comes up with in his

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what's going on behind the scenes in

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this field he has incredible contacts

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anybody that you've never heard about

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that has something to do with all these

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wonderful paranormal subjects that we

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talk about and this is a real pleasure

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to get Gary on the show if you have a

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comment or a question about the para

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cast why'd you send us a note news at

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the para cast com that's news at the

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the existence of a star pod ladies and

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gentlemen what is that well our guest is

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Gary Beckham and he's founder of

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something called star stream research so

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Gary welcome to the power cast

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I'm hygeine thanks for having me on

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today I'm curious here because people

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may not have heard of you what pray tell

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is star stream research oh well that's a

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pretty good question it was something

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that kind of happened by accident over a

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period of several years back in the

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1990's I became very interested in

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anomalous mental phenomena things like

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lucid dream States I guess eventually

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yeah that led me into looking into

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things like remote viewing and things

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that the US government had been involved

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in over the years

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and along the way I kind of bumped heads

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with a bunch of different people over

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the Internet including and it cooked

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from Jane's Defence weekly and at that

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time he was he was working on a book

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called the hunt for zero-point so I kind

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of answered a few questions for him here

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and there and and passed on contact

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information kinetic while he was

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researching this book and eventually I

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decided that I had a lot of additional

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information that had never really been

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published before and I thought maybe I

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should do something with it so at that

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point in time this is probably all maybe

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a couple years after 9/11 I decided I

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would actually try to formalize it and

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launch it this kind of a small

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publication company ok that was

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basically the beginning all right now

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what is your background to enable you to

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want to do this kind of unusual research

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you know if you go back to when I was

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probably I don't know 12 13 14 years old

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I was enrolled and kind of an advanced

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accelerated learning course at the time

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and my best friend's father worked at

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the University of Minnesota and we spend

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a lot

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topics that are of interest today things

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like could you bend space in time could

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you build a warp drive being a little

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uppity possible we shared a lot of

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interest in science fiction and physics

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ideas and and eventually I came to a

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conclusion you know again I was pretty

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young but I kind of decided that maybe

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it wasn't possible to travel between the

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stars most people find that funny that

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you know I'm in this field and I didn't

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really believe it be possible to do that

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but at the time I knew how much energy

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it would take to create something like a

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warp drive and I just decided that you

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know it's just not really possible we're

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kind of stuck here we have to do the you

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know the best we can with the world that

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we're in now eventually of course

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physics evolved over a period of I don't

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know 20 to 30 years and in the mid-1990s

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as I was looking into some of these

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anomalous metal phenomena I hey that was

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introduced to dr. Jack Sarfati who is a

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probably pretty well known these days is

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a kind of a rogue physicist he's you

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know off doing his own research and some

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pretty far out ideas and started to kind

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of follow along with what he was doing

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and what he had thought possible and

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started to change my tune a little bit

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about what would be possible and and

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this is probably about the mid-1990s to

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the later part of 1990s and that's when

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Joe Furman showed up and Jack started to

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work with him I guess at that point and

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he things kind of got a little bit

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quieter on the internet at least by the

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information he things that Jack was

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working on was what kept basically

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in-house and wasn't being discussed a

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lot him so I was getting more and more

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curious about what they were really up

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to and so I started doing more more

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research on my own I started surveying

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the physics field surveying the physics

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archives to look at trends and new ideas

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and now were you trained in Sciences to

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be able to do this well I picked up a

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lot of it is when I was younger

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and then over time I just kind of taught

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myself more and more as I went along so

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I'm pretty much self-taught on the

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physics side of it and I look at what I

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do more is a kind of a citizen rogue

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journalist having the freedom

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to do things that someone like say

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Sharon Weinberger and Nick cook being

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professionals in their fields in the

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defense journalism field that they're

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not comfortable handling certain

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subjects and I have the freedom to

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really dig into these subjects and take

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a little bit more of a risk with them

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and that's basically what I've done

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okay now the suggestion here that

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stardrive that we can travel between the

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stars is that something you've modified

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why would you believe that why would I

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believe that it's now possible to travel

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between the stars

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probably because Discovery's a lot of

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things like negative energy and things

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like you've probably heard of zero-point

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energy are the people out there who are

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not science experts how would you define

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zero-point energy I mean we hear this of

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course in science fiction all the time

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they drop the phrases what does it mean

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to you well zero-point energy is

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essentially it's the energy that's in

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empty space and so they try to keep it

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as simple as possible if you can imagine

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that when you take all the matter and

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ordinary energy out of space and you

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have what you see you assume is an empty

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space but there's actually still energy

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trapped in there it's like it's frozen

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into the vacuum or the emptiness of

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space and so it's kind of a 21st century

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version of the perpetual motion machine

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the idea that somehow you could figure

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out a way to extract that energy out of

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empty space and put it to work okay now

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as a practical matter wouldn't that mean

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it's possible to have some kind of

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stardrive system using zero-point energy

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I suppose one possibility I think you

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know the idea that you could end space

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and time that you could create wormholes

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these are all pretty big ideas and

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there's a lot of theoretical research

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going on you know exploring these ideas

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just as kind of thought experiments but

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there's really I don't think anybody out

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there that's going to tell you that hey

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we know how to do this we can really do

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it at this point in time of course if

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you believe in the UFO mystery that

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aliens are coming here from other

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planets

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we'd have to assume number one they're

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way more

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and we are in terms of knowing all about

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this technology and of course number two

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that they harness this technology or

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something we haven't dreamed of way

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beyond zero-point energy to get here so

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isn't that an acceptable supposition

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yeah yeah I would agree with that I

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think that the problem is we tend to

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look at aliens from our human

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perspective and so we put ourselves you

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know we've grown up in a world filled

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with science-fiction movies and books

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and ideas and we can to project

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ourselves too much into what we think

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the aliens would be and make them like

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ourselves and give them basically the

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same kind of you know we assume they're

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going to be like us they're going to

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have ambassadors they're going to have

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politics they're going it do things the

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way we do things and that may not be the

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case they may not care if it takes them

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fifty thousand years to get to the earth

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and if they can never return to their

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home world they may be come here using

520
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some other more conventional means you

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may not necessarily require all these

522
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fantastic exotic physics to do it so we

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don't have to wait for warp drive they

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don't need warp drive they want to come

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here and the trip takes fifty thousand

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years so be it they bring a city in

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space then basically where they have

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generation upon generation assuming they

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don't live for fifty thousand years and

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maybe the generation that lands here or

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elsewhere is many many many centuries

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removed from the original travelers and

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that's very possible it could very well

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be that they aren't even biological

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entities they could be machines

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it could be computers they're not going

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to send the real beings they will send

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the robots and they'll stay back there

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there was an interesting science fiction

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concept of that which I'll give you in a

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moment we have Gary Beckham and we're

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looking at starstream research

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zero-point energy and lots more with

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[Music]

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anywhere else hear that George snoring

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different way with Gary Beckham we were

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living being in the sense that we

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understand living beings but robots and

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read of course where in order to travel

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the space you would basically upload or

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download your consciousness to some kind

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of robotic creature and that creature of

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course doesn't need to eat doesn't have

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the frailties of the human but has your

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intelligence so it makes the trip is

665
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that what you're suggesting well that's

666
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certainly another possibility yet we're

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obviously very far from anything like

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that it at this point in time but you

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can't discount it you can't eliminate

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that possibility I think that there's a

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lot of interest in the idea that there

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are aliens actually here and you hear

673
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rumors of course and that was one of the

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things that that led me into creating my

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star pot org website was there was a lot

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of public interest in those topics and

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so I thought oh I'd create a site there

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was more pop-oriented for for people

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that were kind of curious about the

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rumors the legends the personalities is

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kind of a gossip site actually but it

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covers a lot of different topics

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especially because over the years I've

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actually run into people who have worked

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for the government that have worked on

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projects like anomalous mental phenomena

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you know remote viewing the psychic

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phenomena things of that sort and as a

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result I've picked up a lot of

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interesting information a lot of rumor

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of course and basically put it together

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onto the website the question I would

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have here Gary is if you've met people

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who work for the government maybe

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involved in these projects wouldn't they

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be top-secret why they tell you yeah

697
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that's that's a really good question

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here's the Stears the story basically

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there are people who used to work in a

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government

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who believe that there is something

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going on and they may not have any more

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solid evidence than their own belief of

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the things that they've been told or

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heard from people that they respected

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from their superiors and probably of all

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those people the one name that you'll

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hear fairly often as a guy named Keith

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Green who continues to consult for the

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government on topics you know involving

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the brain and the mind and threat

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potential for example from you know

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using the mind as a weapon and he did

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work back in the 1970s for the CIA and

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at that time he was involved with the

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remote viewing research was going on at

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Stanford Research Institute in

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California now I think if you read I

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think mark Pilkington mentions of Miraj

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man yes yes mark was on our show just a

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few months ago yeah and he probably

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mentions kid he's got a couple pages and

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they're devoted to his meeting with kid

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but kit was basically suggesting that he

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had heard stories from senior government

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people who have seen briefing documents

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it's some kind of official documentation

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that there had been contact between the

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United States and some kind of an

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extraterrestrial astronaut and the story

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that he passed down or the story that he

732
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had heard basically involved three

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contacts 1947 sometime in the very early

734
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1980s 82 or 83 and then it one more time

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one more visitor in the mid 1990s and so

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this kind of became this legendary story

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of the three extraterrestrial biological

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entities that had been personally

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involved with the US government now

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there wasn't really any other

741
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information how they got here how we met

742
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there's lots of these tales of crashed

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spaceships and things like that that

744
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wasn't really part of this core story as

745
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they called it the core story just

746
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involved the idea that people in the

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government senior people that rumored

748
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that there was this contact with some

749
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kind of an alien race and and that

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really was kind of the basis for an

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investigation done by one of our

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associates from from England

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Karen Ann Scott who came here in 2006

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and started investigating the UFO

755
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stories and she she met up with a guy

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named Dan Smith I don't know if you're

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familiar with Dan Smith he's becoming

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more well-known on the Internet

759
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well why do you tell us who he is well

760
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dan dan is actually the son of a former

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Eisenhower presidential adviser from

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Harvard and he's a rather eccentric guy

763
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but he has a lot of interest in

764
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phenomenology as it relates to end of

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the world scenario and he's also a

766
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friend over the years he been a lot of

767
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inquiring with his government channels

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that he had available to them and

769
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eventually hitched up with a guy named

770
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Ron Pandolfi who's also from the CIA and

771
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he's a former colleague of dick cream

772
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and over the years Ron Pandolfi has

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passed on bits of rumors to Dan and then

774
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Dan it's all excited and gets on the

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internet and he'll blog it you know

776
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write on the internet wherever years

777
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from Ron so Dan is kind of an

778
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interesting resource that way the memory

779
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serves me correct Gary he's gotten

780
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himself in a little bit of hot water too

781
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with some of his postings and in

782
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verbiage concerning his relationship

783
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with Pandolfi and others supposedly

784
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within the government Pandolfi is he's

785
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the one character involved in all this

786
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where he can actually pull up government

787
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documents and then verify that you know

788
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:00,310
he's working out of the Office of the

789
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Director of National Intelligence and

790
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working on measurement and signature

791
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intelligence and things like that so so

792
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you can kind of verify you know some of

793
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that information about Pandolfi now he

794
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told the an way back in the early 90s

795
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when he first had him that he was going

796
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to head out to Los Alamos he go meet

797
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with the alien so you know Ron has a

798
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sense of humor and you know come up with

799
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stories you can't take everything that

800
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Ron says at face value but well that's

801
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:28,390
that's the problem that Dan does do that

802
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:30,730
he does take it at face value oftentimes

803
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:33,610
and and I've been you know privy to some

804
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of the banner over the years and he's

805
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:38,590
he's gotten spanked a couple times yeah

806
00:33:42,330 --> 00:33:40,240
there's there's been a lot of things

807
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:42,340
that he probably has blocked with that

808
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:43,810
some people would prefer he had never

809
00:33:47,970 --> 00:33:46,960
put out there but

810
00:33:50,130 --> 00:33:47,980
he's quite a character he's an

811
00:33:52,019 --> 00:33:50,140
interesting guy and kind of ran across

812
00:33:55,919 --> 00:33:52,029
him from Jax our Friday's list because

813
00:33:57,659 --> 00:33:55,929
he was on there too and so there are a

814
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lot of heavy-duty discussions that were

815
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going on at the time about consciousness

816
00:34:04,169 --> 00:34:02,049
and future technologies and things of

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00:34:06,659 --> 00:34:04,179
that sort and Dan has that particular

818
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end of the world spin that he adds for

819
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that into the world spin in what respect

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well Dan seems to believe that all the

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phenomena that we're experiencing that

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00:34:19,740 --> 00:34:16,929
people report as paranormal is really

823
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just kind of a like a side effect of

824
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this approach to the end of the world

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that we're approaching a critical point

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in the history of the planet where

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resources are going to be tapped to

828
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virtually nothing and the crisis is

829
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going to reach a boiling point there's

830
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going to be a phase transition what we

831
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think of as human beings we think of it

832
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as the end of the world but he sees it

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as a distal transition into a different

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world kind of with a sort of religious

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overtones kind of the end of the world

836
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world reborn into a different different

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world in the future

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well transformation into fifth density

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and the the the emergence of singularity

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and all that sort of thing huh exactly

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and I think you know from dan danny has

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a rather unique view of himself in that

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context and he kind of sees with his

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connections and so forth that he

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occupies a special place in this

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particular world so he pursues that

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constantly to try to promote his what he

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calls the best possible world hypothesis

849
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but anyways that's kind of the sideshow

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there he refers to his relationship with

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00:35:31,410 --> 00:35:30,160
Ron Pandolfi is the rod and Dan show and

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there's there's some pretty humorous

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things that have happened over the years

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as well as some of the more serious

855
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information but if you know how to

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filter through it you can actually come

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up with some good stuff once in awhile

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is this stuff that you can actually

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believe or just some people

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brainstorming and coming up with wacky

861
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ideas no no actually I was able to take

862
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like claims from Dan's blog and about a

863
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year before it was actually confirmed by

864
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government documents I I knew that Ron

865
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Pandolfi was working on a high frequency

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gravity waves

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and he had a big interest in this kind

868
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of an esoteric you know physics topic

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but he was kind of interest in this and

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the fact that American researchers were

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starting to collaborate with Chinese

872
00:36:16,829 --> 00:36:13,839
researchers in this particular field

873
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which again the skeptics we tell you

874
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there's absolutely nothing to it it's

875
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just you know 9 sound science but based

876
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on things that Dan was blogging I knew

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that Pandolfi was doing the research and

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eventually the Federation of American

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scientists release copies of similar

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government documents related to this

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investigation and I'm going to ask about

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outer limits here the outer limits of

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science and research and what we know

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and don't know with gary beckham we are

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with gene and Kris you're in the para

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casts oh okay

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you mentioned certain government

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documents that I guess supposedly

998
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:30,190
validate this information you're

999
00:41:34,140 --> 00:41:32,319
presenting would you tell us more yeah

1000
00:41:36,420 --> 00:41:34,150
in fact yeah I think if you go to my

1001
00:41:38,700 --> 00:41:36,430
website you can probably take a look at

1002
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them on the top tab there's a tab that

1003
00:41:44,690 --> 00:41:41,710
says secrets and if you go down far

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enough you'll probably see the

1005
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information there on a few of these

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things but I'll make sure I put that up

1007
00:41:55,049 --> 00:41:52,059
before that before this is broadcast but

1008
00:41:57,059 --> 00:41:55,059
there there is a Ron Pandolfi page that

1009
00:41:58,290 --> 00:41:57,069
I have now that has some documents that

1010
00:42:00,299 --> 00:41:58,300
I've collected over the years just

1011
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:00,309
basically highlighting his career that

1012
00:42:04,500 --> 00:42:02,170
he was at the CIA that he worked with

1013
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:04,510
the National Intelligence Council which

1014
00:42:08,370 --> 00:42:07,089
is the part of the CIA and the Director

1015
00:42:10,980 --> 00:42:08,380
of National Intelligence where they do

1016
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the National Intelligence Estimates for

1017
00:42:15,630 --> 00:42:13,869
the President and so he's got this

1018
00:42:17,579 --> 00:42:15,640
established history

1019
00:42:19,620 --> 00:42:17,589
he's been written about in the New York

1020
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:19,630
Times in the Washington Post because he

1021
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:21,490
got into a little bit of a trouble with

1022
00:42:26,819 --> 00:42:23,890
his agency back in the 90s on another

1023
00:42:29,490 --> 00:42:26,829
controversy but but essentially I was

1024
00:42:31,230 --> 00:42:29,500
able to take Dan's blogging and confirm

1025
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:31,240
it using official government

1026
00:42:35,339 --> 00:42:33,130
documentation and and that's what I

1027
00:42:36,839 --> 00:42:35,349
prefer to use I prefer to look at real

1028
00:42:38,609 --> 00:42:36,849
documents cuz there's plenty of bogus

1029
00:42:40,980 --> 00:42:38,619
ones out there and how do you tell the

1030
00:42:43,319 --> 00:42:40,990
real ones from the bogus ones is there a

1031
00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:43,329
magic bullet to tell one from the other

1032
00:42:47,849 --> 00:42:46,510
yeah you can from the government that's

1033
00:42:50,970 --> 00:42:47,859
that's really how you that's how you

1034
00:42:53,460 --> 00:42:50,980
know the government released 90,000

1035
00:42:56,370 --> 00:42:53,470
pages of documents from what they call

1036
00:42:58,620 --> 00:42:56,380
the Stargate program switch was yeah

1037
00:43:01,859 --> 00:42:58,630
psychic spy programs that we ran in this

1038
00:43:03,690 --> 00:43:01,869
country for over 20 years and so those

1039
00:43:06,260 --> 00:43:03,700
they have official markings see how you

1040
00:43:08,460 --> 00:43:06,270
have official identification markings

1041
00:43:10,819 --> 00:43:08,470
gradually now over time the CIA is

1042
00:43:12,690 --> 00:43:10,829
beginning to release some things online

1043
00:43:14,910 --> 00:43:12,700
where you can actually go to

1044
00:43:16,530 --> 00:43:14,920
CIA's website for their electronic

1045
00:43:18,540 --> 00:43:16,540
reading room and you can actually access

1046
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:18,550
at least be at the headers on the

1047
00:43:20,970 --> 00:43:20,290
subject matter of some of these

1048
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:20,980
documents

1049
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:23,290
well Gary this would be a perfect

1050
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,170
opportunity for the CIA to salt

1051
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:28,480
disinformation that appears to be

1052
00:43:31,890 --> 00:43:30,130
official through the release of

1053
00:43:34,589 --> 00:43:31,900
documents I mean how do you actually

1054
00:43:37,290 --> 00:43:34,599
know I mean we you can't really know if

1055
00:43:39,450 --> 00:43:37,300
this is real or if it's some sort of

1056
00:43:41,010 --> 00:43:39,460
this information can you know well

1057
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:41,020
that's the whole point of everything

1058
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,079
that I'm doing it's the five sites is

1059
00:43:48,420 --> 00:43:46,000
intended to be more of a popular site so

1060
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:48,430
it's really a blend of everything from

1061
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:52,089
parody to serious research you know just

1062
00:43:58,310 --> 00:43:55,359
gossip and so in a certain sense I'm

1063
00:44:00,480 --> 00:43:58,320
also creating a kind of a counter

1064
00:44:02,970 --> 00:44:00,490
counterintelligence you know for the

1065
00:44:05,849 --> 00:44:02,980
popular for popular entertainment

1066
00:44:09,210 --> 00:44:05,859
purposes but at the core at the research

1067
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:09,220
the car that I do is is based upon is

1068
00:44:14,190 --> 00:44:11,650
official of a document as weak empty no

1069
00:44:16,260 --> 00:44:14,200
you're probably right you can't believe

1070
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:16,270
every document out there it's very

1071
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:18,250
possible the government does create

1072
00:44:23,099 --> 00:44:21,010
false documentation or you know they

1073
00:44:26,660 --> 00:44:23,109
obviously have a reason to create false

1074
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documents to to confuse the enemy so

1075
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:29,170
unfortunately it comes down to one basic

1076
00:44:37,339 --> 00:44:31,210
question do we or can we trust our own

1077
00:44:41,970 --> 00:44:40,230
consists of a bunch of idiots but that

1078
00:44:44,910 --> 00:44:41,980
was a rhetorical question of course of

1079
00:44:47,069 --> 00:44:44,920
course we understand well another thing

1080
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:47,079
you know I we're talking about the core

1081
00:44:52,380 --> 00:44:49,210
story and and I am looking at Karen

1082
00:44:56,190 --> 00:44:52,390
Anne's combs trickster article which I

1083
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like the term and you know I see the

1084
00:45:04,890 --> 00:44:59,290
names of Bob Collins Robert Collins and

1085
00:45:07,620 --> 00:45:04,900
and Richard Doty and Bill Ryan and some

1086
00:45:10,349 --> 00:45:07,630
interesting characters that have been

1087
00:45:12,059 --> 00:45:10,359
cropping up from time to time through

1088
00:45:13,559 --> 00:45:12,069
the years since I've been involved for

1089
00:45:15,630 --> 00:45:13,569
about twenty years in this field and

1090
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:15,640
where do you come down with people like

1091
00:45:22,589 --> 00:45:17,770
Doty and Collins Collins with this

1092
00:45:24,569 --> 00:45:22,599
latest case of uh that he's he he has

1093
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,579
some guy I think here in Arizona that

1094
00:45:31,540 --> 00:45:26,720
had a samurai sword and slash

1095
00:45:34,180 --> 00:45:31,550
stuff you know some flesh from an alien

1096
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:34,190
that was sent to WC Levengood they have

1097
00:45:40,030 --> 00:45:36,410
analyzed and and and of course the the

1098
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:40,040
now notorious project sir Poe story

1099
00:45:47,710 --> 00:45:43,690
which I do have quite a bit of

1100
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:47,720
difficulty swallowing how do you

1101
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:50,800
reconcile these types of individuals

1102
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:53,210
swirling around people like Dan Smith

1103
00:45:57,099 --> 00:45:55,760
and Pandolfi who you you you can you can

1104
00:46:00,339 --> 00:45:57,109
kind of get a sense that these people

1105
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,349
are it's in some way shape or form

1106
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:02,720
providing some accurate information and

1107
00:46:09,130 --> 00:46:05,330
then it's it's packaged along with

1108
00:46:10,810 --> 00:46:09,140
things like sir Poe and and in of course

1109
00:46:13,540 --> 00:46:10,820
I don't have to remind our listeners

1110
00:46:16,839 --> 00:46:13,550
Richard Odie's passed with the banovitz

1111
00:46:18,220 --> 00:46:16,849
affair and Linda Howe and and other

1112
00:46:19,780 --> 00:46:18,230
things that he's been involved with over

1113
00:46:21,730 --> 00:46:19,790
the years I mean how do you reconcile

1114
00:46:23,859 --> 00:46:21,740
where where does the mirror and and

1115
00:46:26,770 --> 00:46:23,869
where does reality begin well and that

1116
00:46:28,450 --> 00:46:26,780
that's part of the adventure you get to

1117
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:28,460
you know go into this hall of mirrors

1118
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:31,280
the small king of pouring through it and

1119
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:33,290
you know ultimately you come to the

1120
00:46:36,820 --> 00:46:34,880
conclusion that you know it's all in

1121
00:46:39,490 --> 00:46:36,830
your mind it's kind of a mirage an

1122
00:46:42,250 --> 00:46:39,500
illusion that is being played out in

1123
00:46:45,130 --> 00:46:42,260
your mind and at a certain point you

1124
00:46:46,990 --> 00:46:45,140
reality may not be the ultimate goal

1125
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:47,000
reality may not in fact be the most

1126
00:46:51,609 --> 00:46:49,280
important thing what we call reality is

1127
00:46:53,710 --> 00:46:51,619
kind of a consensus agree on you know we

1128
00:46:55,599 --> 00:46:53,720
all agree that we go through the same

1129
00:46:57,790 --> 00:46:55,609
door you know that there's a tree

1130
00:47:00,359 --> 00:46:57,800
sitting out here in my yard but at a

1131
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:00,369
deeper level reality is about how

1132
00:47:05,980 --> 00:47:02,810
communication occurs within our minds

1133
00:47:07,540 --> 00:47:05,990
within our brains how we communicate

1134
00:47:11,070 --> 00:47:07,550
with each other and we make these

1135
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:11,080
agreements about what is real based on

1136
00:47:14,980 --> 00:47:12,800
communications that are going on at

1137
00:47:17,980 --> 00:47:14,990
levels below our conscious perception

1138
00:47:20,589 --> 00:47:17,990
and so that that's a big part of this

1139
00:47:22,810 --> 00:47:20,599
anomalous level okay this is kind of a

1140
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:22,820
consensus reality where it's real

1141
00:47:26,500 --> 00:47:24,770
because we all agree it's real we all

1142
00:47:28,510 --> 00:47:26,510
know I what I guess what I want to say

1143
00:47:31,570 --> 00:47:28,520
is that the reality that we agree is

1144
00:47:34,060 --> 00:47:31,580
real is is the real isn't real reality

1145
00:47:35,980 --> 00:47:34,070
but there's also a reality to our

1146
00:47:38,170 --> 00:47:35,990
perceptions to the communications that

1147
00:47:40,660 --> 00:47:38,180
go on in our minds the communications

1148
00:47:43,329 --> 00:47:40,670
that we have with each other

1149
00:47:45,250 --> 00:47:43,339
Internet all of this is real it's just

1150
00:47:47,710 --> 00:47:45,260
at a different level of reality a

1151
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:47,720
different type of reality it comes back

1152
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:49,690
to what if you talk to physicists about

1153
00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:52,010
information and communication systems

1154
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:55,250
there's kind of this saying that all

1155
00:48:00,250 --> 00:47:57,680
information requires physical or

1156
00:48:02,140 --> 00:48:00,260
material representation so in other

1157
00:48:04,420 --> 00:48:02,150
words whatever the information is it can

1158
00:48:05,980 --> 00:48:04,430
be this information it can be you know a

1159
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:05,990
true report but whatever the information

1160
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:09,680
is there's some physical reality behind

1161
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:12,079
it there's something to it and it's how

1162
00:48:16,569 --> 00:48:14,000
that information is processed and handle

1163
00:48:17,740 --> 00:48:16,579
that creates this reality this we share

1164
00:48:20,020 --> 00:48:17,750
with each other and becomes this

1165
00:48:21,339 --> 00:48:20,030
consensus reality especially I'm sure

1166
00:48:22,839 --> 00:48:21,349
implicating sir let me ask you a

1167
00:48:24,849 --> 00:48:22,849
question Gary just to interrupt you

1168
00:48:29,170 --> 00:48:24,859
which I'm very good at isn't some of

1169
00:48:30,789 --> 00:48:29,180
this stuff just plain nonsense oh yeah

1170
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:30,799
absolutely I mean you know there's

1171
00:48:37,809 --> 00:48:32,210
stories out there right now the big one

1172
00:48:41,559 --> 00:48:37,819
is what President well shove it on the

1173
00:48:43,660 --> 00:48:41,569
surface of entry I love that one that I

1174
00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:43,670
can't believe the Weber took the ball

1175
00:48:48,220 --> 00:48:46,640
and ran with that oh my goodness so you

1176
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:48,230
know I mean there's but but then see I

1177
00:48:52,809 --> 00:48:50,240
like to dig a little deeper behind these

1178
00:48:54,010 --> 00:48:52,819
things because ok there there are people

1179
00:48:56,740 --> 00:48:54,020
that are gonna believe these stories

1180
00:48:58,299 --> 00:48:56,750
that are gonna accept them and then

1181
00:49:00,970 --> 00:48:58,309
there's going to be some level of

1182
00:49:02,589 --> 00:49:00,980
reality underneath them and a lot of

1183
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:02,599
skeptics what they will do is they will

1184
00:49:05,620 --> 00:49:04,160
just discount the whole story

1185
00:49:07,780 --> 00:49:05,630
and they won't look any further or any

1186
00:49:09,789 --> 00:49:07,790
deeper into what's going on so basically

1187
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:09,799
here let me ask you here what kind of

1188
00:49:15,309 --> 00:49:11,770
reality do we find ok somebody says

1189
00:49:18,460 --> 00:49:15,319
President Obama went to Mars and we

1190
00:49:20,740 --> 00:49:18,470
can't say he was he off world or what

1191
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:20,750
are we looking for what kind of truth is

1192
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:23,930
there well ok I'll tell a little story

1193
00:49:31,740 --> 00:49:27,040
here about if you're familiar with Laura

1194
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:31,750
Eisenhower she was the president's

1195
00:49:39,250 --> 00:49:37,040
great-granddaughter and she basically I

1196
00:49:42,010 --> 00:49:39,260
came out with a story about this Mars

1197
00:49:44,020 --> 00:49:42,020
mission and of course immediately the

1198
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:44,030
skeptics jumped in and everybody said

1199
00:49:48,339 --> 00:49:45,890
this is just a bunch of you know what

1200
00:49:50,020 --> 00:49:48,349
and I knew though from the things she

1201
00:49:51,490 --> 00:49:50,030
was saying there are certain pieces of

1202
00:49:54,550 --> 00:49:51,500
the story that they were telling that I

1203
00:49:56,830 --> 00:49:54,560
knew had a factual basis because in

1204
00:49:59,050 --> 00:49:56,840
my files here I had about 2 300 pages

1205
00:50:02,170 --> 00:49:59,060
worth of documentation I had collected

1206
00:50:03,610 --> 00:50:02,180
back about five six years ago that

1207
00:50:05,110 --> 00:50:03,620
confirmed some of the things she was

1208
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:05,120
saying now let me ask you about the

1209
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:06,800
documentation before we asked what was

1210
00:50:11,380 --> 00:50:09,290
confirmed the possibilities of course

1211
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:11,390
always arise when you have documentation

1212
00:50:16,030 --> 00:50:13,850
how accurate is is this stuff that

1213
00:50:18,130 --> 00:50:16,040
people give to you stuff that you've

1214
00:50:20,590 --> 00:50:18,140
accumulated do you just internet

1215
00:50:22,210 --> 00:50:20,600
research right well that's that's a good

1216
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:22,220
question now you have to remember this

1217
00:50:27,010 --> 00:50:24,890
from from my point of view at this point

1218
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:27,020
I wasn't I think of it think of it if

1219
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:28,610
you were like if you were in a position

1220
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:31,280
where you were trying to vet our

1221
00:50:35,050 --> 00:50:33,290
intelligence that was coming in you

1222
00:50:37,180 --> 00:50:35,060
wouldn't want to just you know put it

1223
00:50:39,610 --> 00:50:37,190
into a true/false pile you would want to

1224
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:39,620
know more about the nature of the

1225
00:50:43,450 --> 00:50:41,330
counterintelligence why it was designed

1226
00:50:45,610 --> 00:50:43,460
the way it was designed what was the

1227
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:45,620
intention behind it what were the

1228
00:50:50,110 --> 00:50:48,170
sources behind and so that's what I was

1229
00:50:52,750 --> 00:50:50,120
looking at I was looking at Laura's

1230
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:52,760
story and I knew that she'd name the

1231
00:50:57,940 --> 00:50:55,610
person or so there's a gentleman that

1232
00:50:59,290 --> 00:50:57,950
she identified as agent axe and I

1233
00:51:01,360 --> 00:50:59,300
immediately knew from the information

1234
00:51:03,940 --> 00:51:01,370
they provided in the story who agent X

1235
00:51:05,590 --> 00:51:03,950
was I knew what his agenda had been and

1236
00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:05,600
the information he had provided to me

1237
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:08,510
the same time Laura was involved with

1238
00:51:12,970 --> 00:51:10,250
him so I was able to take that

1239
00:51:14,140 --> 00:51:12,980
information and basically confirm that

1240
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:14,150
there are certain parts of the story she

1241
00:51:18,370 --> 00:51:16,130
was not making it up this was

1242
00:51:20,860 --> 00:51:18,380
information she was being fed she was

1243
00:51:23,470 --> 00:51:20,870
being given by other people and the

1244
00:51:25,540 --> 00:51:23,480
question be of course the motive and why

1245
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:25,550
they were giving it to her we have Gary

1246
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:27,530
Beckham and you're listening to Jeanne

1247
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:41,820
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1248
00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:45,010
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1249
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:49,510
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1250
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:51,280
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1263
00:52:22,140 --> 00:52:20,080
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1264
00:52:23,730 --> 00:52:22,150
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1265
00:52:25,590 --> 00:52:23,740
and fibers to protect from counterfeit

1266
00:52:26,670 --> 00:52:25,600
and carding to a private bank having it

1267
00:52:28,350 --> 00:52:26,680
led back at interest

1268
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:28,360
forcing taxes to service debt this

1269
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:30,250
capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

1270
00:52:33,330 --> 00:52:31,690
stating a central bank issuing the

1271
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:33,340
public currency is a greater menace to

1272
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:34,480
the liberties of the people than a

1273
00:52:37,410 --> 00:52:36,250
standing army Ted Anderson I'm placing a

1274
00:52:39,390 --> 00:52:37,420
free silver dollar in a book that

1275
00:52:41,490 --> 00:52:39,400
explains our monetary system call for

1276
00:52:43,170 --> 00:52:41,500
your copy 800 six eight six two two

1277
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:43,180
three seven it's time to understand the

1278
00:52:49,090 --> 00:52:47,650
system call 866 to 237 that's 800 686 to

1279
00:52:55,180 --> 00:52:49,100
237

1280
00:53:03,220 --> 00:52:58,880
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1281
00:53:10,700 --> 00:53:03,230
standard of paranormal radio and now

1282
00:53:12,859 --> 00:53:10,710
here's Jane Steinberg okay a wild and

1283
00:53:14,210 --> 00:53:12,869
wooly episode of the power cache as we

1284
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:14,220
explore government information

1285
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:17,250
disinformation and whatnot with Gary

1286
00:53:21,620 --> 00:53:19,440
Beckham with gene and Chris you're in

1287
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:21,630
the para cast so which all about Laura

1288
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:23,520
Eisenhower who's a granddaughter

1289
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:26,160
great-granddaughter great-granddaughter

1290
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:28,770
of Dwight Eisenhower is that correct

1291
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:31,680
that's correct okay and what does she do

1292
00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:34,079
what's her field of expertise well Laura

1293
00:53:39,230 --> 00:53:37,049
is primarily a mystic you know I would

1294
00:53:42,020 --> 00:53:39,240
categorize her interests as being in the

1295
00:53:44,990 --> 00:53:42,030
New Age you know the spiritual mental

1296
00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:45,000
you know phenomena is there's people who

1297
00:53:50,750 --> 00:53:47,730
believe that the mind is the core aspect

1298
00:53:53,660 --> 00:53:50,760
of reality and and tend to pursue more

1299
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:53,670
of these new-age ideas as I'm sure you

1300
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:55,410
know from from your paranormal research

1301
00:54:00,980 --> 00:53:58,079
so that's a big part of the paranormal

1302
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:00,990
is the is the mental phenomena okay and

1303
00:54:06,109 --> 00:54:03,210
a fast devil's advocate approach here

1304
00:54:09,650 --> 00:54:06,119
because her great-grandfather was a

1305
00:54:11,359 --> 00:54:09,660
famous military figure and the President

1306
00:54:14,210 --> 00:54:11,369
of the United States that doesn't make

1307
00:54:15,890 --> 00:54:14,220
her an expert in anything right but what

1308
00:54:18,319 --> 00:54:15,900
she was doing was they were passing him

1309
00:54:19,940 --> 00:54:18,329
basically Laura and she had a friend who

1310
00:54:22,250 --> 00:54:19,950
basically posted some of this

1311
00:54:23,450 --> 00:54:22,260
information online and I was able to

1312
00:54:25,460 --> 00:54:23,460
look at the information and I was able

1313
00:54:28,670 --> 00:54:25,470
to use the information they post it to

1314
00:54:31,970 --> 00:54:28,680
go back to the original source who I

1315
00:54:35,299 --> 00:54:31,980
knew was actually working for it's doing

1316
00:54:37,819 --> 00:54:35,309
research with nuclear rockets and had

1317
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:37,829
mentioned you know Mars as being one of

1318
00:54:42,589 --> 00:54:39,450
the destination points that they wanted

1319
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:42,599
to go to so there was this connection

1320
00:54:48,530 --> 00:54:46,770
with her friend agent X and Mars

1321
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:48,540
research and some of that research was

1322
00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:51,359
being conducted by a scientist who is

1323
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:54,089
affiliated with the US Air Force had

1324
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:56,730
done papers the you know attended

1325
00:55:01,640 --> 00:54:59,040
conferences and so forth associated with

1326
00:55:03,230 --> 00:55:01,650
the Air Force Research Laboratory so

1327
00:55:04,460 --> 00:55:03,240
there was figures in the background of

1328
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:04,470
all of this there was look maybe a

1329
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:06,450
certain amount of serious you know

1330
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:08,130
research going on

1331
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:11,010
and of course the question in my mind is

1332
00:55:16,310 --> 00:55:14,130
how did that become the story of bases

1333
00:55:18,650 --> 00:55:16,320
on Mars and which then if people are

1334
00:55:20,300 --> 00:55:18,660
blossoming into the teleporter that

1335
00:55:22,610 --> 00:55:20,310
kicks you to Mars and eventually you get

1336
00:55:23,810 --> 00:55:22,620
to the president being on Mars so you

1337
00:55:26,090 --> 00:55:23,820
know and then you have the whole

1338
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:26,100
passaggio time-travel thing to which

1339
00:55:31,490 --> 00:55:29,760
she's kind of attached yourself to yes

1340
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:31,500
and so you know you've got these

1341
00:55:34,490 --> 00:55:33,330
characters and it's like you mentioned

1342
00:55:36,260 --> 00:55:34,500
before you get these characters that

1343
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:36,270
attach themselves to these stories and

1344
00:55:39,380 --> 00:55:37,770
then they just push the stories out

1345
00:55:41,420 --> 00:55:39,390
farther and farther but somewhere down

1346
00:55:43,970 --> 00:55:41,430
in the core there's usually there's some

1347
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:43,980
connection there that's where I what I'm

1348
00:55:48,740 --> 00:55:45,920
interested it is in the core here

1349
00:55:50,570 --> 00:55:48,750
successful disinformation successful

1350
00:55:54,530 --> 00:55:50,580
disinformation is the Jew surrounded by

1351
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:54,540
by you know program lies exactly and the

1352
00:55:58,820 --> 00:55:56,130
other thing that I'm really interested

1353
00:56:01,640 --> 00:55:58,830
in you mentioned politics earlier on I'm

1354
00:56:05,930 --> 00:56:01,650
interested in what are the legal aspects

1355
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,940
involved in US intelligence agencies

1356
00:56:11,150 --> 00:56:07,920
using this information when that this

1357
00:56:14,450 --> 00:56:11,160
information influences or affects US

1358
00:56:17,570 --> 00:56:14,460
citizens I think that's really the core

1359
00:56:19,580 --> 00:56:17,580
my core political issue is if these

1360
00:56:22,070 --> 00:56:19,590
people really are doing anything on an

1361
00:56:24,350 --> 00:56:22,080
official basis at any level and it's

1362
00:56:26,990 --> 00:56:24,360
involving citizens and it's affecting

1363
00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:27,000
the belief values of people throughout

1364
00:56:29,780 --> 00:56:29,250
the country then what is the legal basis

1365
00:56:31,580 --> 00:56:29,790
for them

1366
00:56:34,490 --> 00:56:31,590
the moot point now that they've passed

1367
00:56:37,220 --> 00:56:34,500
this new Defense Authorization bill that

1368
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:37,230
has these these kind of hidden little

1369
00:56:42,650 --> 00:56:39,810
gems in there that now have designated

1370
00:56:44,450 --> 00:56:42,660
the entire country is a battleground and

1371
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:44,460
pretty much the government has carte

1372
00:56:48,860 --> 00:56:45,930
blanche to do whatever they want to u.s.

1373
00:56:52,210 --> 00:56:48,870
citizens suspend habeas corpus an

1374
00:56:54,620 --> 00:56:52,220
indefinite detention if you declared a a

1375
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:54,630
domestic terrorist then you're the same

1376
00:56:58,940 --> 00:56:56,970
as somebody you know trying to blow up

1377
00:57:01,610 --> 00:56:58,950
Marines over and in in the Middle East

1378
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:01,620
and it also follows there that you can

1379
00:57:05,690 --> 00:57:03,330
declare your political opponent a

1380
00:57:07,850 --> 00:57:05,700
domestic terrorist you know you'd be

1381
00:57:10,970 --> 00:57:07,860
just like that guy who just died in

1382
00:57:14,270 --> 00:57:10,980
Korea the entire intelligence community

1383
00:57:15,950 --> 00:57:14,280
was restructured after 9/11 and over

1384
00:57:18,110 --> 00:57:15,960
time some of the programs have come out

1385
00:57:20,090 --> 00:57:18,120
you know we've heard about you know NSA

1386
00:57:22,010 --> 00:57:20,100
and the wiretap and things like that

1387
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:22,020
there's other things that

1388
00:57:25,730 --> 00:57:23,760
I'm more interested in what's in the

1389
00:57:27,950 --> 00:57:25,740
shadows what might be in that shadow or

1390
00:57:29,900 --> 00:57:27,960
what's kind of lurking behind the scene

1391
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:29,910
another interesting connection I

1392
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:32,160
discovered was that after 9/11 there was

1393
00:57:36,650 --> 00:57:34,050
a lot of interest in remote viewing and

1394
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:36,660
was a key perception that seemed to be

1395
00:57:40,820 --> 00:57:38,610
connected to people who were either

1396
00:57:42,410 --> 00:57:40,830
working in the government or who had

1397
00:57:44,090 --> 00:57:42,420
worked in the government accounts and

1398
00:57:46,250 --> 00:57:44,100
one of the most interesting connections

1399
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:46,260
that they came across was there's a

1400
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:48,090
psychic named Chris Robinson from

1401
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:50,970
England and he had been trying to warn

1402
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:53,210
the u.s. about planes hitting

1403
00:57:58,220 --> 00:57:55,050
skyscrapers in New York City right

1404
00:58:00,770 --> 00:57:58,230
before 9/11 and later on it I learned

1405
00:58:03,980 --> 00:58:00,780
that Chris today actually then come over

1406
00:58:06,980 --> 00:58:03,990
here and had been working with or at

1407
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:06,990
least been meeting with people from some

1408
00:58:10,910 --> 00:58:08,250
of the American intelligence community

1409
00:58:14,060 --> 00:58:10,920
and it conducted various tests and

1410
00:58:16,370 --> 00:58:14,070
experiments for some of these people to

1411
00:58:19,790 --> 00:58:16,380
try to perceive like the location of

1412
00:58:22,460 --> 00:58:19,800
Saddam Hussein location of nuclear

1413
00:58:24,859 --> 00:58:22,470
hidden nuclear sites and uh in Iran his

1414
00:58:27,290 --> 00:58:24,869
lab sort and then ultimately what

1415
00:58:29,870 --> 00:58:27,300
happened was a few years ago

1416
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:29,880
there's gentleman who is a senior and I

1417
00:58:35,359 --> 00:58:32,400
say official named Tom Drake who was

1418
00:58:36,740 --> 00:58:35,369
indicted under the Espionage Act because

1419
00:58:40,210 --> 00:58:36,750
of the whistleblowing that he had done

1420
00:58:42,890 --> 00:58:40,220
of some of these programs that involved

1421
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:42,900
you know wiretapping basically you know

1422
00:58:49,970 --> 00:58:46,490
listening in an American communications

1423
00:58:52,460 --> 00:58:49,980
and it turned out that when he came out

1424
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:52,470
well when they indicted him in the

1425
00:58:56,090 --> 00:58:53,970
indictment they identified him the

1426
00:58:58,370 --> 00:58:56,100
identified the NSA they identified that

1427
00:59:00,500 --> 00:58:58,380
he worked in signals intelligence his

1428
00:59:02,030 --> 00:59:00,510
career path and it turned out this was

1429
00:59:03,650 --> 00:59:02,040
one of the gentlemen that Chris Robinson

1430
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:03,660
had worked with which I find very

1431
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:06,240
interesting especially because Chris

1432
00:59:11,090 --> 00:59:09,119
Chris basically as soon as this happened

1433
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:11,100
where he was Tom Drake was forced out of

1434
00:59:14,180 --> 00:59:12,450
the NSA because of all of these

1435
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:14,190
accusations that were coming up against

1436
00:59:18,260 --> 00:59:16,290
him that was about the same time period

1437
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:18,270
where Chris and Tom stopped working

1438
00:59:21,010 --> 00:59:20,130
together you know one of the things I

1439
00:59:24,349 --> 00:59:21,020
always wonder when we talk about

1440
00:59:27,740 --> 00:59:24,359
supposed whistleblowers is if they're

1441
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:27,750
blowing the whistle what is to stop the

1442
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:31,440
government from coming by and say wait a

1443
00:59:35,390 --> 00:59:33,690
minute we're not going to tolerate this

1444
00:59:37,609 --> 00:59:35,400
shut up

1445
00:59:41,839 --> 00:59:37,619
that's basically what happened when Tom

1446
00:59:43,700 --> 00:59:41,849
Drake came forward well basically he

1447
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:43,710
didn't just come forward he did this

1448
00:59:48,769 --> 00:59:46,650
behind the scenes using encrypted email

1449
00:59:53,359 --> 00:59:48,779
with a reporter from the Baltimore Sun

1450
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:53,369
and FBI came in they raided his home

1451
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:55,200
they took all of his computers and all

1452
00:59:59,210 --> 00:59:57,839
of his personal items from his home I

1453
01:00:02,390 --> 00:59:59,220
don't think they had returned him yet

1454
01:00:05,059 --> 01:00:02,400
actually there were other people at the

1455
01:00:06,319 --> 01:00:05,069
NSA that were peripherally involved and

1456
01:00:08,329 --> 01:00:06,329
they had the same thing happened to him

1457
01:00:12,349 --> 01:00:08,339
you know held up held at gunpoint while

1458
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:12,359
their homes were raided by the FBI and

1459
01:00:16,730 --> 01:00:14,010
they were seeing their people and the

1460
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:16,740
Obama administration who pursued this

1461
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:18,720
you know against and pretty vigorously

1462
01:00:23,839 --> 01:00:20,130
but the government really didn't have a

1463
01:00:25,819 --> 01:00:23,849
strong case for espionage and ultimately

1464
01:00:26,809 --> 01:00:25,829
just a day before I think was one day

1465
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:26,819
before you they were going to go to

1466
01:00:32,089 --> 01:00:29,760
trial on this the government dropped all

1467
01:00:33,470 --> 01:00:32,099
can espionage charges and reduced it to

1468
01:00:35,779 --> 01:00:33,480
a list so they had done all this for

1469
01:00:38,569 --> 01:00:35,789
several years they basically made his

1470
01:00:40,339 --> 01:00:38,579
life total misery for several years

1471
01:00:42,260 --> 01:00:40,349
knowing that they really didn't have a

1472
01:00:44,089 --> 01:00:42,270
case against him but they brought these

1473
01:00:46,039 --> 01:00:44,099
charges against him because it basically

1474
01:00:50,089 --> 01:00:46,049
wound his life or end his career it

1475
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:50,099
wound his retirement and he was

1476
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:52,170
eventually forced to go to work for an

1477
01:00:55,339 --> 01:00:54,000
Apple computer store well there's

1478
01:00:57,620 --> 01:00:55,349
nothing wrong with the Apple computer

1479
01:00:59,829 --> 01:00:57,630
store but you have to wonder too when

1480
01:01:02,960 --> 01:00:59,839
you take overt action against Iowa

1481
01:01:04,430 --> 01:01:02,970
aren't you also drawing attention to

1482
01:01:07,099 --> 01:01:04,440
what they were saying well wait a minute

1483
01:01:09,980 --> 01:01:07,109
this guy's saying the sand so and now

1484
01:01:13,250 --> 01:01:09,990
the government is after him wait a

1485
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:13,260
minute there was nothing that he

1486
01:01:17,990 --> 01:01:15,930
revealed it was classified so so all

1487
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:18,000
this he actually took and they charged

1488
01:01:21,769 --> 01:01:20,130
under the Espionage Act but he'd

1489
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:21,779
actually never released any classified

1490
01:01:25,670 --> 01:01:24,089
information if there was classified

1491
01:01:26,930 --> 01:01:25,680
information it was involved the

1492
01:01:28,279 --> 01:01:26,940
government didn't want that become

1493
01:01:29,510 --> 01:01:28,289
public and that was one of the reasons

1494
01:01:32,450 --> 01:01:29,520
why they dropped the case

1495
01:01:34,010 --> 01:01:32,460
they made a mystery Oh interesting and

1496
01:01:37,010 --> 01:01:34,020
so here he was tied in with with

1497
01:01:39,529 --> 01:01:37,020
Robinson then is what you determine yeah

1498
01:01:41,359 --> 01:01:39,539
well what I've determined is and I went

1499
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:41,369
to another source who at the time was

1500
01:01:45,650 --> 01:01:43,170
working with Washington Post and and

1501
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:45,660
asked him to do the same kind of you

1502
01:01:49,340 --> 01:01:47,730
know his background you know I'm

1503
01:01:50,990 --> 01:01:49,350
courageous to see if this

1504
01:01:53,090 --> 01:01:51,000
if this relationship actually really

1505
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:53,100
existed you know and and we basically

1506
01:01:57,740 --> 01:01:55,410
were able to confirm the Robinson wasn't

1507
01:01:59,480 --> 01:01:57,750
making this up that he had known Drake

1508
01:02:01,100 --> 01:01:59,490
and then at some point in time

1509
01:02:02,810 --> 01:02:01,110
apparently they had worked on some of

1510
01:02:04,490 --> 01:02:02,820
these you know paranormal problems

1511
01:02:06,110 --> 01:02:04,500
now the other side of the story that was

1512
01:02:09,110 --> 01:02:06,120
interesting was a few years before this

1513
01:02:10,610 --> 01:02:09,120
happened another researcher named Gus

1514
01:02:13,580 --> 01:02:10,620
Russo I don't know if you're familiar

1515
01:02:16,070 --> 01:02:13,590
with Gus there's a lot of here a lot of

1516
01:02:18,350 --> 01:02:16,080
books about JFK aside the assassination

1517
01:02:18,890 --> 01:02:18,360
plot and mobsters and things of that

1518
01:02:21,020 --> 01:02:18,900
sort

1519
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:21,030
and he was doing a story for Dan Smith

1520
01:02:24,860 --> 01:02:22,890
dan had actually hired him to do a story

1521
01:02:26,990 --> 01:02:24,870
about Pandolfi and these guys from the

1522
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:27,000
intelligence community that were getting

1523
01:02:31,790 --> 01:02:28,650
involved on the Internet you know on the

1524
01:02:33,470 --> 01:02:31,800
UFO subject and in during this research

1525
01:02:35,300 --> 01:02:33,480
he went to one of his sources who was a

1526
01:02:37,070 --> 01:02:35,310
head of state source and I'll tell you

1527
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:37,080
why we'll have to learn about the NSA

1528
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:38,850
source in a moment with Gary Beckham

1529
01:02:48,590 --> 01:02:41,010
you're listening to gene and Kris cuz

1530
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:48,600
you're in the para cast so here's what

1531
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happened I was placing an order online

1532
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the site went down it just stopped

1533
01:02:57,530 --> 01:02:55,740
responding it took hours before it

1534
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:57,540
returned but I'd already placed the

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order with another company if your site

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01:06:12,539 --> 01:06:11,380
home watching TV fake TV plugs in just

1617
01:06:14,220 --> 01:06:12,549
like a lamp on a timer

1618
01:06:16,710 --> 01:06:14,230
but as far more convincing to burglars

1619
01:06:18,420 --> 01:06:16,720
fake TV deters burglars who cost far

1620
01:06:19,799 --> 01:06:18,430
less than an alarm and is highly

1621
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:19,809
recommended by numerous police

1622
01:06:23,940 --> 01:06:21,760
departments used at any time you're away

1623
01:06:25,799 --> 01:06:23,950
from home to order your fake TV for only

1624
01:06:28,650 --> 01:06:25,809
thirty four ninety five go to fake

1625
01:06:31,470 --> 01:06:28,660
tv.com or call one eight seven seven

1626
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:31,480
five fake TV each additional fake TV is

1627
01:06:36,269 --> 01:06:34,210
only 29.95 so get one for you and one

1628
01:06:38,460 --> 01:06:36,279
for a loved one for safety security and

1629
01:06:42,450 --> 01:06:38,470
peace of mind for both of you call eight

1630
01:06:46,170 --> 01:06:42,460
seven seven five F a ke TV or go to fake

1631
01:06:51,620 --> 01:06:46,180
tv.com fake TV calm the burglar

1632
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:54,690
this is the wrong tire co-author of the

1633
01:07:05,609 --> 01:06:57,010
f1 cycle these other books when you're

1634
01:07:07,470 --> 01:07:05,619
listening to the podcast when Chris gets

1635
01:07:09,540 --> 01:07:07,480
that voice and this is a different voice

1636
01:07:11,490 --> 01:07:09,550
than we normally get from Chris you know

1637
01:07:13,109 --> 01:07:11,500
that we're getting into some really dark

1638
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:13,119
and dirty stuff in our previous segment

1639
01:07:21,859 --> 01:07:17,170
Gary you started talking about NSA

1640
01:07:23,549 --> 01:07:21,869
person yeah yes true so this was the

1641
01:07:25,530 --> 01:07:23,559
investigative journalist

1642
01:07:28,859 --> 01:07:25,540
okay so Gus perso is the investigative

1643
01:07:31,589 --> 01:07:28,869
journalist who Gary Beckham is involved

1644
01:07:33,540 --> 01:07:31,599
in contacting this NSA person yeah he

1645
01:07:35,309 --> 01:07:33,550
had a he had a source that he used you

1646
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:35,319
know he does a lot of research in a lot

1647
01:07:39,210 --> 01:07:36,970
of different areas and topics and he had

1648
01:07:40,380 --> 01:07:39,220
a source would I guess a good NSA

1649
01:07:43,470 --> 01:07:40,390
connection we'll just leave it at that

1650
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:43,480
and this source told him this is back

1651
01:07:50,069 --> 01:07:47,650
about 2007 this source told him that the

1652
01:07:52,410 --> 01:07:50,079
NSA had actually taken over the

1653
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:52,420
paranormal psychic research program

1654
01:07:56,039 --> 01:07:54,490
after the CIA killed it back in the

1655
01:07:58,170 --> 01:07:56,049
nineteen ninety and so that they were

1656
01:07:59,970 --> 01:07:58,180
still doing ongoing paranormal research

1657
01:08:01,920 --> 01:07:59,980
and of course if you know you know

1658
01:08:03,569 --> 01:08:01,930
that's not you know yeah that's

1659
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:03,579
interesting you know but at the time

1660
01:08:07,020 --> 01:08:05,049
that this is coming from a single source

1661
01:08:09,900 --> 01:08:07,030
we don't we don't know the single source

1662
01:08:11,549 --> 01:08:09,910
in in traditional journalism a single

1663
01:08:14,339 --> 01:08:11,559
source is not good enough to run a story

1664
01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:14,349
you need at least two sources hopefully

1665
01:08:18,059 --> 01:08:15,760
if you know that are reasonably credible

1666
01:08:19,740 --> 01:08:18,069
so we asked Gus we said well here's this

1667
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:19,750
guy that you're dealing with is your

1668
01:08:22,709 --> 01:08:21,489
source would you consider him credible

1669
01:08:24,539 --> 01:08:22,719
and he basically said yeah a hundred

1670
01:08:26,519 --> 01:08:24,549
percent so it kind of ran the story that

1671
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:26,529
there is this rumor that there is a you

1672
01:08:29,970 --> 01:08:28,239
know paranormal program at NSA and I

1673
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:29,980
kind of left it at that back you know

1674
01:08:35,039 --> 01:08:31,810
this has been back five years ago or so

1675
01:08:36,749 --> 01:08:35,049
and man it turned out again after the

1676
01:08:38,999 --> 01:08:36,759
after all these years went by that I

1677
01:08:40,559 --> 01:08:39,009
started communicating with Chris

1678
01:08:43,709 --> 01:08:40,569
Robinson I'd heard the story that he'd

1679
01:08:45,630 --> 01:08:43,719
gone to the CIA about 9/11 Dan Smith had

1680
01:08:47,700 --> 01:08:45,640
talked about how Ron Pandolfi seemed to

1681
01:08:49,950 --> 01:08:47,710
know about 9/11 before it was before it

1682
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:49,960
actually took place okay now we're gonna

1683
01:08:56,039 --> 01:08:52,690
stop right there because now you have

1684
01:08:58,229 --> 01:08:56,049
been certainly exciting my curiosity

1685
01:09:00,870 --> 01:08:58,239
through this entire episode but now okay

1686
01:09:03,269 --> 01:09:00,880
knew about 9/11 before it took place

1687
01:09:04,410 --> 01:09:03,279
from alum well gene I think Robertson

1688
01:09:07,140 --> 01:09:04,420
correct me if I'm wrong Gary but

1689
01:09:09,300 --> 01:09:07,150
Robertson contacted the US government

1690
01:09:11,820 --> 01:09:09,310
you know being he's English

1691
01:09:13,979 --> 01:09:11,830
okay so this is basically the warnings

1692
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:13,989
possibly part of the warnings that would

1693
01:09:19,499 --> 01:09:16,330
go for Gary if I remember correctly it

1694
01:09:23,610 --> 01:09:19,509
was in 99 I think didn't wasn't at 99

1695
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:23,620
then he contacted the US government I

1696
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:24,850
don't know if contacted the US

1697
01:09:29,249 --> 01:09:27,370
government what happened was he had a an

1698
01:09:34,620 --> 01:09:29,259
intelligence contact that he worked with

1699
01:09:38,459 --> 01:09:34,630
I think from mi5 you know in the UK if I

1700
01:09:41,789 --> 01:09:38,469
hear mi5 is the internal security agency

1701
01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:41,799
in the UK and mi6 is the James Bond

1702
01:09:46,169 --> 01:09:44,080
agency that's right yep they're two

1703
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:46,179
different agencies and so his contact

1704
01:09:49,979 --> 01:09:47,770
would have been mi5 because you know

1705
01:09:52,289 --> 01:09:49,989
unusually he's dealing with terrorist

1706
01:09:55,140 --> 01:09:52,299
incidents within the within the country

1707
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:55,150
with anyone so so he started telling

1708
01:09:58,379 --> 01:09:56,650
them about these dreams that you know

1709
01:09:59,879 --> 01:09:58,389
these hijackers are gonna hijack

1710
01:10:01,919 --> 01:09:59,889
airplanes are gonna crash him into

1711
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:01,929
buildings that was kind of the initial

1712
01:10:05,100 --> 01:10:03,250
thing he didn't have a location or

1713
01:10:06,629 --> 01:10:05,110
anything just you know dream images of

1714
01:10:08,700 --> 01:10:06,639
these airplanes crashing and hitting

1715
01:10:10,379 --> 01:10:08,710
building and over time you know they

1716
01:10:12,090 --> 01:10:10,389
start to get clearer and he started to

1717
01:10:14,399 --> 01:10:12,100
sense where it was taking place it was

1718
01:10:17,399 --> 01:10:14,409
going to be New York City and he

1719
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:17,409
basically was not satisfied with the

1720
01:10:22,530 --> 01:10:19,210
response he was getting from his

1721
01:10:25,290 --> 01:10:22,540
contacts and the UK so he arranged to

1722
01:10:27,180 --> 01:10:25,300
come to the United States to work with a

1723
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:27,190
researcher named Gary Schwartz professor

1724
01:10:33,140 --> 01:10:30,010
at the University of Arizona and they

1725
01:10:36,899 --> 01:10:33,150
did kind of a 10-day sort of an informal

1726
01:10:38,430 --> 01:10:36,909
psychic task but they did you know Chris

1727
01:10:40,649 --> 01:10:38,440
dreaming ahead of time were they were

1728
01:10:42,570 --> 01:10:40,659
going to go and randomly selecting a

1729
01:10:44,580 --> 01:10:42,580
location and going to it during that

1730
01:10:47,700 --> 01:10:44,590
period of time when he was was here

1731
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:47,710
which was August 2 2001 he still had

1732
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:49,120
these dreams and they were getting more

1733
01:10:52,950 --> 01:10:51,130
vivid and he felt that it was New York

1734
01:10:55,530 --> 01:10:52,960
City that was going to be attacked so by

1735
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:55,540
the time he got back to London he was

1736
01:10:59,939 --> 01:10:57,250
really getting concerned this point so

1737
01:11:03,030 --> 01:10:59,949
he contacted the US Embassy apparently

1738
01:11:05,490 --> 01:11:03,040
with the work of the CIA liaison and the

1739
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:05,500
US Embassy in London and this is I don't

1740
01:11:09,629 --> 01:11:07,840
know maybe it behaved before the 9/11

1741
01:11:13,290 --> 01:11:09,639
attacks so it's right before the event

1742
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:13,300
took place and what Robinson told me

1743
01:11:17,370 --> 01:11:14,650
then is

1744
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:17,380
to the World Trade Center was yet after

1745
01:11:21,660 --> 01:11:19,210
the two planes hit the Trade Center

1746
01:11:23,580 --> 01:11:21,670
towers he received a call from an

1747
01:11:26,070 --> 01:11:23,590
American Colonel who was in the air at

1748
01:11:28,350 --> 01:11:26,080
the time regarding his warning so what I

1749
01:11:30,959 --> 01:11:28,360
believe happened and I can't confirm

1750
01:11:32,970 --> 01:11:30,969
this but what I think happened is he

1751
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:32,980
passed information for the embassy in

1752
01:11:39,149 --> 01:11:35,770
London Gary Schwartz may have had some

1753
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:39,159
intelligence contacts as well and maybe

1754
01:11:42,899 --> 01:11:40,570
some of that information got through

1755
01:11:44,189 --> 01:11:42,909
channels just kind of sitting in the

1756
01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:44,199
inbox somewhere where nobody was really

1757
01:11:50,100 --> 01:11:47,920
paying attention to it 9/11 that we had

1758
01:11:53,010 --> 01:11:50,110
these warnings ahead of time but for

1759
01:11:54,570 --> 01:11:53,020
whatever reason they didn't connect the

1760
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:54,580
dots or do you think it may have been

1761
01:11:57,720 --> 01:11:56,170
deliberate not to connect the dots

1762
01:12:00,510 --> 01:11:57,730
that's they of course the big

1763
01:12:03,660 --> 01:12:00,520
overarching conspiracy well again I'm

1764
01:12:05,820 --> 01:12:03,670
not a conspiracy theorist so I say that

1765
01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:05,830
you know based on everything I see it's

1766
01:12:11,220 --> 01:12:08,800
more to do with incompetence and

1767
01:12:13,260 --> 01:12:11,230
possibly with maybe even a certain

1768
01:12:15,090 --> 01:12:13,270
amount of cover-up of that incompetence

1769
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:15,100
after the fair you don't want to say you

1770
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:17,170
didn't know what you were doing so you

1771
01:12:21,419 --> 01:12:18,640
say well we couldn't possibly have known

1772
01:12:22,770 --> 01:12:21,429
how could this have happened and that's

1773
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:22,780
exactly what happened

1774
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:25,890
you know after after the events I think

1775
01:12:29,490 --> 01:12:28,210
condi rice came out and she said you

1776
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:29,500
know we could never have imagined that

1777
01:12:33,780 --> 01:12:31,449
they would hijack passenger planes and

1778
01:12:35,550 --> 01:12:33,790
fly them into you know buildings but

1779
01:12:36,990 --> 01:12:35,560
actually if you go back to the record

1780
01:12:38,820 --> 01:12:37,000
and this was the public record who knows

1781
01:12:40,860 --> 01:12:38,830
what's in the classified record but in

1782
01:12:43,110 --> 01:12:40,870
the public record at the National

1783
01:12:45,209 --> 01:12:43,120
Intelligence Council which is Mehran

1784
01:12:47,399 --> 01:12:45,219
Pandolfi was you know he was affiliated

1785
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:47,409
with the National Intelligence Council

1786
01:12:51,060 --> 01:12:49,120
back at that time and that's where they

1787
01:12:53,100 --> 01:12:51,070
write the estimate the intelligence

1788
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:53,110
estimates for the president at that time

1789
01:12:58,800 --> 01:12:56,080
of 1999 they were actually talking about

1790
01:13:00,450 --> 01:12:58,810
the threat of al-qaeda hijacking

1791
01:13:02,910 --> 01:13:00,460
airplanes and flying into buildings and

1792
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:02,920
at the same time Richard Clarke who is

1793
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:05,250
the White House counter-terrorism czar

1794
01:13:10,500 --> 01:13:07,570
Richard Clarke was also reading kind of

1795
01:13:13,229 --> 01:13:10,510
a desktop simulation of what we do how

1796
01:13:15,660 --> 01:13:13,239
would we respond if a plane was hijacked

1797
01:13:17,010 --> 01:13:15,670
and it's gonna fly into the US Capitol

1798
01:13:18,270 --> 01:13:17,020
building so all of these things were

1799
01:13:19,410 --> 01:13:18,280
they were actually talking about these

1800
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:19,420
things they're actually looking at these

1801
01:13:25,140 --> 01:13:22,570
things at that time there were war game

1802
01:13:27,870 --> 01:13:25,150
simulations going on on 9/11 that

1803
01:13:30,060 --> 01:13:27,880
featured that type of activity

1804
01:13:31,500 --> 01:13:30,070
well what's interesting to me and I

1805
01:13:34,470 --> 01:13:31,510
think you know you get you've got to ask

1806
01:13:37,169 --> 01:13:34,480
yourself why weren't they prepared to

1807
01:13:38,689 --> 01:13:37,179
launch planes you know fully armed

1808
01:13:42,419 --> 01:13:38,699
planes get up in the air you know

1809
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:42,429
protect Washington they you know look at

1810
01:13:45,629 --> 01:13:44,320
these scenarios it discussed them and

1811
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:45,639
actually what's really interesting to me

1812
01:13:51,959 --> 01:13:50,290
is if you go way back 1983 when this was

1813
01:13:55,319 --> 01:13:51,969
back in the era of the men who stare at

1814
01:13:57,959 --> 01:13:55,329
goats and army intelligence sent a bunch

1815
01:14:00,359 --> 01:13:57,969
of their intelligence officers through

1816
01:14:03,810 --> 01:14:00,369
neuro Institute to train them how to

1817
01:14:07,169 --> 01:14:03,820
become psychic spies and while they were

1818
01:14:10,050 --> 01:14:07,179
there a group of them had similar vision

1819
01:14:14,250 --> 01:14:10,060
of a terror attack using an airplane

1820
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:14,260
against the Capitol and they described

1821
01:14:18,359 --> 01:14:17,050
it as being in and I don't know if the

1822
01:14:20,700 --> 01:14:18,369
actually I shouldn't say they described

1823
01:14:23,419 --> 01:14:20,710
it the intelligence officer that wrote

1824
01:14:26,729 --> 01:14:23,429
the report which is anastagi files

1825
01:14:28,290 --> 01:14:26,739
basically interpreted I think was four

1826
01:14:30,780 --> 01:14:28,300
different intelligence officers were

1827
01:14:32,609 --> 01:14:30,790
four different similar visions basically

1828
01:14:34,859 --> 01:14:32,619
interpreted that it would involve like a

1829
01:14:37,410 --> 01:14:34,869
Lear jet attacked with explosives and

1830
01:14:40,290 --> 01:14:37,420
flown deliberately by a pilot into the

1831
01:14:42,839 --> 01:14:40,300
Capitol building and they said that they

1832
01:14:45,060 --> 01:14:42,849
thought this man would be maybe from the

1833
01:14:47,459 --> 01:14:45,070
Middle East and would have a name that

1834
01:14:50,129 --> 01:14:47,469
would sound something like Jerry or you

1835
01:14:53,250 --> 01:14:50,139
know Dorado or something but that kind

1836
01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:53,260
of a sound and it turned out that on

1837
01:15:01,260 --> 01:14:57,730
9/11 it was sure I was the 9/11 pilot

1838
01:15:02,729 --> 01:15:01,270
flight 93 who was attempting to hit you

1839
01:15:05,609 --> 01:15:02,739
the capital or the White House with the

1840
01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:05,619
plane so isn't some interesting

1841
01:15:09,330 --> 01:15:07,840
coincidence was there but the important

1842
01:15:11,339 --> 01:15:09,340
point is the fact that they were looking

1843
01:15:13,350 --> 01:15:11,349
at these scenarios and that they had

1844
01:15:14,729 --> 01:15:13,360
considered the possibility of airplanes

1845
01:15:17,459 --> 01:15:14,739
being used as weapons of mass

1846
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:17,469
destruction but on the day of 9/11

1847
01:15:21,450 --> 01:15:19,199
apparently they didn't even the other

1848
01:15:23,819 --> 01:15:21,460
weapons armed on the planes that were

1849
01:15:25,740 --> 01:15:23,829
used to protect Washington I'll tell you

1850
01:15:27,569 --> 01:15:25,750
what we have more of this going on with

1851
01:15:36,030 --> 01:15:27,579
Gary Beckham with Gene and Kris you're

1852
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1880
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about and it's a question whether you

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want to take it seriously or not but now

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we're looking at the prelude to 911 how

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the dots weren't connected now one

1969
01:20:51,370 --> 01:20:47,719
conspiracy theory has it Gary that we

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let 9/11 happen because it allowed us to

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do other things such as attack Iraq

1972
01:20:57,609 --> 01:20:55,969
that's one theory well yeah and I think

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01:21:00,339 --> 01:20:57,619
that's a theory you know you have to

1974
01:21:03,089 --> 01:21:00,349
look at the facts and there is a website

1975
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:03,099
called secrecy kills were Richard Clark

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and he was the White House

1977
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counter-terrorism czar at the time of

1978
01:21:12,100 --> 01:21:09,560
9/11 he has his own personal conspiracy

1979
01:21:13,770 --> 01:21:12,110
theory and he talks about it I find his

1980
01:21:16,540 --> 01:21:13,780
was probably the most interesting

1981
01:21:19,510 --> 01:21:16,550
theories I've heard apparently the CIA

1982
01:21:21,850 --> 01:21:19,520
had been tracking al-qaeda members who

1983
01:21:24,550 --> 01:21:21,860
came into the United States about a year

1984
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:24,560
or two before it was a in 2000 so it was

1985
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:26,810
before you know 9/11 a year-and-a-half

1986
01:21:30,729 --> 01:21:29,210
before 9/11 and apparently they didn't

1987
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inform any of the other agencies they

1988
01:21:35,979 --> 01:21:33,530
didn't discuss this with the FBI they

1989
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didn't brief Richard Clark on it at the

1990
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White House even though they sat on

1991
01:21:41,290 --> 01:21:39,889
these sat in on these meetings you know

1992
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with the White House discussing all of

1993
01:21:45,729 --> 01:21:43,849
these issues so Clark says in his mind

1994
01:21:47,919 --> 01:21:45,739
he's trying to trying to understand why

1995
01:21:50,140 --> 01:21:47,929
that information was withheld why wasn't

1996
01:21:52,089 --> 01:21:50,150
it told in his theory is basically that

1997
01:21:54,550 --> 01:21:52,099
the CIA was trying to turn these all

1998
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:54,560
Qaeda terrorists into double agents and

1999
01:21:57,879 --> 01:21:56,210
they didn't want the FBI to get involved

2000
01:22:01,479 --> 01:21:57,889
they didn't want to get interference

2001
01:22:03,939 --> 01:22:01,489
from any other agencies here in the next

2002
01:22:06,189 --> 01:22:03,949
but isn't also a conventional wisdom

2003
01:22:09,010 --> 01:22:06,199
that some of these al-qaeda operatives

2004
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felt that we had betrayed them and

2005
01:22:14,500 --> 01:22:11,659
therefore they came back to attack us

2006
01:22:16,570 --> 01:22:14,510
well again I you know I don't try to

2007
01:22:18,550 --> 01:22:16,580
deal too much for conspiracy theories I

2008
01:22:21,100 --> 01:22:18,560
don't help that deep into them I think

2009
01:22:23,050 --> 01:22:21,110
for me that the point is just trying to

2010
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:23,060
understand from the point of view of the

2011
01:22:27,459 --> 01:22:25,010
intelligence community the job that they

2012
01:22:29,530 --> 01:22:27,469
do why would they not have greased the

2013
01:22:31,570 --> 01:22:29,540
White House and who would have given

2014
01:22:33,100 --> 01:22:31,580
that you know that order and Clark's

2015
01:22:35,470 --> 01:22:33,110
theory is basically it would have to

2016
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:35,480
come from the director of the CIA and so

2017
01:22:39,850 --> 01:22:38,330
you know basically he just assumes

2018
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:39,860
I a was involved in some kind of an

2019
01:22:44,290 --> 01:22:41,810
operation and they wanted to keep it

2020
01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:44,300
in-house and that it was basically then

2021
01:22:48,220 --> 01:22:46,490
covered out that was this entire thing

2022
01:22:50,230 --> 01:22:48,230
was not really discussed in the 9/11

2023
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:50,240
report so Clark that's Clark's personal

2024
01:22:54,910 --> 01:22:52,250
conspiracy theory it's probably the only

2025
01:22:56,020 --> 01:22:54,920
conspiracy theory that I'll entertain at

2026
01:22:58,480 --> 01:22:56,030
this point in time without more

2027
01:23:00,070 --> 01:22:58,490
information but I did go to Deanna and

2028
01:23:02,620 --> 01:23:00,080
they asked him to contact Ron Pandolfi

2029
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:02,630
because Pandolfi was also allegedly

2030
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:04,610
according to his story he was at CIA

2031
01:23:09,940 --> 01:23:07,130
headquarters during the 9/11 attacks and

2032
01:23:12,610 --> 01:23:09,950
and alfie would also been associated

2033
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:12,620
with certainly the CIA director and and

2034
01:23:16,180 --> 01:23:14,210
other people there he was at the

2035
01:23:18,010 --> 01:23:16,190
National Intelligence Council and he

2036
01:23:19,690 --> 01:23:18,020
seemed to the answer that came back was

2037
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:19,700
kind of curious to me he seemed to think

2038
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:21,890
that it really was not unusual that they

2039
01:23:26,350 --> 01:23:24,170
haven't told anybody or briefed anybody

2040
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:26,360
at the FBI that they really wouldn't the

2041
01:23:29,530 --> 01:23:28,130
answer was basically the reason the CIA

2042
01:23:30,940 --> 01:23:29,540
didn't tell anybody was because they

2043
01:23:33,730 --> 01:23:30,950
didn't think anybody else would have any

2044
01:23:37,090 --> 01:23:33,740
interest in which I find should be a not

2045
01:23:38,140 --> 01:23:37,100
answer so in any case obviously any of

2046
01:23:40,330 --> 01:23:38,150
these guys that really worked in the

2047
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government they have security clearances

2048
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:41,870
and they simply can't talk about this

2049
01:23:46,540 --> 01:23:44,810
kind of stuff unless their folks yeah

2050
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:46,550
for you know again counterintelligence

2051
01:23:52,990 --> 01:23:48,890
purposes or some other reason let's go

2052
01:23:54,910 --> 01:23:53,000
back from 9/11 back into our crazy quilt

2053
01:23:56,590 --> 01:23:54,920
power a normal universe and of course we

2054
01:23:58,300 --> 01:23:56,600
mentioned before some of the crazy

2055
01:24:00,730 --> 01:23:58,310
disinformation that's coming out there

2056
01:24:03,130 --> 01:24:00,740
about UFOs like Project serpo that we

2057
01:24:06,310 --> 01:24:03,140
had an exchange program with aliens I

2058
01:24:09,130 --> 01:24:06,320
mean we had a couple of the serpo people

2059
01:24:11,290 --> 01:24:09,140
on the show that we had bought Cowan's

2060
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:11,300
on briefly not Rick Doty but some other

2061
01:24:15,670 --> 01:24:13,250
people talking about servo as if it was

2062
01:24:18,370 --> 01:24:15,680
something genuine but the I guess the

2063
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:18,380
other question to ask here is there's

2064
01:24:22,750 --> 01:24:20,480
any of this stuff that's going on with

2065
01:24:25,870 --> 01:24:22,760
the government and disinformation relate

2066
01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:25,880
to UFOs in a factual fashion well you

2067
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:27,440
know it's the only thing I can think of

2068
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:29,090
I think this is sort of the conclusion

2069
01:24:33,430 --> 01:24:30,650
other people have reached is that if

2070
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:33,440
this disinformation say is actually

2071
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:34,970
sanctioned by someone in the government

2072
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:37,370
then it's part of a cover-up possibly to

2073
01:24:42,730 --> 01:24:40,250
protect ongoing and research projects or

2074
01:24:44,980 --> 01:24:42,740
you know new kinds of aircraft or

2075
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:44,990
possibly if you want to believe kid

2076
01:24:49,930 --> 01:24:47,690
green and what he has heard possibly

2077
01:24:52,089 --> 01:24:49,940
there's been contact with some kind of

2078
01:24:54,430 --> 01:24:52,099
an extraterrestrial astronaut

2079
01:24:55,540 --> 01:24:54,440
now let's just for the sake of argument

2080
01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:55,550
let's just say that that really took

2081
01:25:00,580 --> 01:24:58,010
place that's a big argument to exempt

2082
01:25:01,569 --> 01:25:00,590
argue it's a big argument to accept but

2083
01:25:04,540 --> 01:25:01,579
let's go with it

2084
01:25:05,919 --> 01:25:04,550
okay well yeah let's just for the sake

2085
01:25:07,390 --> 01:25:05,929
of the argument we'll accept the fact

2086
01:25:08,459 --> 01:25:07,400
that the government had some kind of

2087
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:08,469
contact with an extraterrestrial

2088
01:25:15,399 --> 01:25:12,530
astronaut of some sort so the idea is

2089
01:25:18,850 --> 01:25:15,409
that it was heavily compartmented into

2090
01:25:20,709 --> 01:25:18,860
the military-industrial complex and that

2091
01:25:23,350 --> 01:25:20,719
the intelligence community itself was

2092
01:25:25,959 --> 01:25:23,360
isolated from the information and that

2093
01:25:28,780 --> 01:25:25,969
basically led up to act in the 1980s

2094
01:25:30,459 --> 01:25:28,790
where apparently get green and ront and

2095
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:30,469
elsie confronted a couple of gentlemen

2096
01:25:35,229 --> 01:25:32,570
from the air force a couple of Colonels

2097
01:25:36,850 --> 01:25:35,239
colonel Barry Hennessy and one other

2098
01:25:39,629 --> 01:25:36,860
gentleman that name escapes me at the

2099
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:39,639
moment but apparently they they were

2100
01:25:45,850 --> 01:25:42,770
confronted over this whole topic of Rick

2101
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:45,860
Doty and his veracity irritability and

2102
01:25:50,140 --> 01:25:47,810
what happened to him in his career in

2103
01:25:52,750 --> 01:25:50,150
the Air Force and a basically a

2104
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:52,760
lie-detector polygraph tape that had

2105
01:25:56,290 --> 01:25:54,170
been taken on fertility

2106
01:25:58,930 --> 01:25:56,300
where the Air Force is claiming he was

2107
01:26:01,450 --> 01:25:58,940
lying and dick Green who had worked with

2108
01:26:02,770 --> 01:26:01,460
polygraph for the cia's looked at it and

2109
01:26:04,540 --> 01:26:02,780
said well there's no indication that he

2110
01:26:07,180 --> 01:26:04,550
lied in this polygraph so there was a

2111
01:26:08,530 --> 01:26:07,190
dispute over whether or not billed he

2112
01:26:10,750 --> 01:26:08,540
was making stories up but I wasn't

2113
01:26:12,430 --> 01:26:10,760
directly related to you the UFO topic I

2114
01:26:14,530 --> 01:26:12,440
think it had more to do with his career

2115
01:26:16,810 --> 01:26:14,540
as an intelligence officer and I believe

2116
01:26:18,850 --> 01:26:16,820
in Germany so but there was some heated

2117
01:26:20,890 --> 01:26:18,860
discussion apparently over this whole

2118
01:26:22,390 --> 01:26:20,900
thing and depending on who you ask get

2119
01:26:24,220 --> 01:26:22,400
two different stories about this well

2120
01:26:26,620 --> 01:26:24,230
let me ask you what your opinion is Rick

2121
01:26:28,629 --> 01:26:26,630
Doty we've mentioned him on the show a

2122
01:26:30,069 --> 01:26:28,639
couple of times he said I'll come on and

2123
01:26:32,169 --> 01:26:30,079
of course he chickens out in the last

2124
01:26:34,089 --> 01:26:32,179
minute and this is intelligence

2125
01:26:36,399 --> 01:26:34,099
operative is this just some kind of

2126
01:26:38,830 --> 01:26:36,409
goofball who imagines himself to have

2127
01:26:40,959 --> 01:26:38,840
greater authority in the military and

2128
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:40,969
the government than he really did well I

2129
01:26:44,770 --> 01:26:43,130
think you know if you look at the we

2130
01:26:46,990 --> 01:26:44,780
have to look back again and where you

2131
01:26:48,939 --> 01:26:47,000
examine the motives and intentions and

2132
01:26:52,270 --> 01:26:48,949
and back around I think September in

2133
01:26:54,069 --> 01:26:52,280
2006 Ron Pandolfi actually started the

2134
01:26:55,979 --> 01:26:54,079
investigating work ability or at least

2135
01:26:58,870 --> 01:26:55,989
he claimed he did on a personal level

2136
01:27:00,040 --> 01:26:58,880
the claims or the rumors were that there

2137
01:27:02,620 --> 01:27:00,050
was a little more than that there was an

2138
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:02,630
official supposedly official involvement

2139
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:05,690
by the FBI but the whole story was

2140
01:27:08,979 --> 01:27:07,010
from pan delphi's point of view the way

2141
01:27:11,140 --> 01:27:08,989
he expressed it and she's the one who

2142
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:11,150
released these emails so everything is

2143
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:12,770
originating from Pandolfi that it's

2144
01:27:17,260 --> 01:27:15,770
emails between Kip green and Ron

2145
01:27:20,260 --> 01:27:17,270
Pandolfi and Rick Doty

2146
01:27:23,110 --> 01:27:20,270
and in this email exchange the focus is

2147
01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:23,120
not on the UFO topic but using the UFO

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topic as a cover story to conduct

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espionage for a foreign government and

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and basically there's some interesting

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details in there that I'm still kind of

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I don't feel that I have the right to to

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release all that information but there

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is there some discussion of Rick

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bilities career in Germany there's some

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discussion public NASA took place there

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there's some discussion of the circle

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story and Kip green being contacted by

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someone who from the Air Force who

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allegedly said that there was some truth

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behind the circle story all right all

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right truth behind the serpo story what

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kind of truth do we find behind that

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thing because that thing strikes me as

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just being as wacky as all get-out as

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they say well the story if you watch

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that it was 1977 movie Close Encounters

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of the Third Kind that's where you'll

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see the surco story film Richard

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Dreyfuss and these people go on to the

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spaceship and they're going to go to

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wherever et lives and they're engaged in

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some kind of exchange program do I

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assume then that et leaves a few of

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their own kind here in exchange well

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that was part of this rumor now can we

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talk about this contact with aliens or

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even now I don't even want to use the

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word Elance let's just say some

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otherworldly intelligence let's make it

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a little more ambiguous because it could

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refer to disembodied spirits well you

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know now we're referred to one

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assumption which is riding another

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assumption disembodied spirits how so

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well what I'm saying is that's the story

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of what they call the core story was one

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that that Katrine came up with I believe

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leaves me skeptical as all get-out as I

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said before with regard to whether this

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project serpo the alien exchange program

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had any reality we went into Close

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Encounters of the Third Kind which of

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course is just a movie or was it just a

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movie were they suggesting things that

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were really going on Gary well that the

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story the original core story because it

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comes in so many different versions now

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as it's mutated on the home line but the

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original core story was apparently that

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there was some kind of phenomena that it

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took place under laboratory conditions

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and that based on this information that

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they received from the security

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Directorate at Lawrence Livermore they

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created this idea that there was this

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ongoing contact or some kind of contact

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with an Otherworld intelligence

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something alien not specified with some

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kind of alien intelligence that's the

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original core story the way it was

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explained to us was that there was this

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story and then there were the rumors the

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other rumors they heard which was the

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three contacts which were 47 82 I think

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or 83 and then sometime in the 1990s

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nothing very specific was really

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involved in that version of the core

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story but then there's the Air Force

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core story which is the one that Collins

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promotes and Rick Doty has been

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supporting which is this idea that the

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Air Force has been involved directly

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involved working with some kind of

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extraterrestrial entities since at least

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since the 1980s now what I thought was

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interesting was way back when I was a

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young man I met a guy who had just

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gotten out of the Air Force and we were

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out having a few beers and we were

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talking about aliens or anything all

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sudden got very serious he said I gotta

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tell you something there's some really

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weird things going on in the Air Force

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and I kinda looked at him like okay

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where's this going and and he said you

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know what it's about the UFO as it's

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about the aliens and the air forces

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involved with these aliens and I thought

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well this is a pretty strange story you

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know I didn't really take it very

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seriously but it kind of kept it in the

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back of my mind and this was actually

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before the stories that came out from

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Bob Collins I don't think was even

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looking into this stuff at the time so

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we're talking very early 1980s

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yeah but where we take people like Bob

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Collins and Rick Doty come out with his

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stuff and Collins had a book out on

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these subjects is he real is he the real

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dealers he's been a goofball long just

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kind of playing around with us well I

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think the thing about Bob Collins book

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from from reading it it's good

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entertainment there's a lot of big

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speculation in it there's certainly a

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lot of big personalities and they're

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some of them are known to be

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intelligence people and Katrina again is

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probably the better known one just

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because he's worked on Stargate projects

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and had a fairly senior position at the

2384
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CIA and at one time and still consults

2385
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to the CIA and other agencies yeah but

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you see if the CIA is involved in

2387
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reality why do they let this stuff come

2388
01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:08,789
out I mean let me ask you a question

2389
01:37:12,049 --> 01:37:10,320
you've got a lot of information here at

2390
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you're publishing on your site and

2391
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you're delivering on radio shows stuff

2392
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that may relate to top-secret

2393
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interactions involving et visitations

2394
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UFOs remote feeling even 9/11 or any of

2395
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these other incidents or tragedies has

2396
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anyone come to you and said Gary shut up

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Ron Pandolfi did a couple of times Ron

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actually requested he wanted us to

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remove certain pieces of information

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from stories great before we would

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publish them and and generally it

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related to what he was doing you know

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officially at the time you know what is

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the location he was working from things

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01:37:57,859 --> 01:37:55,949
like that know if you know if you read

2406
01:37:59,899 --> 01:37:57,869
if you read and all these version of

2407
01:38:02,779 --> 01:37:59,909
things from the emails and things that

2408
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:02,789
we received from him he looks at this

2409
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:05,489
primarily as a game a kind of an

2410
01:38:10,100 --> 01:38:08,010
intelligence game sometimes provide

2411
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:10,110
information on people that are involved

2412
01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:11,610
in things that would actually be of

2413
01:38:14,870 --> 01:38:13,170
interest to the government

2414
01:38:17,150 --> 01:38:14,880
like those researchers working with

2415
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:17,160
Chinese counterparts on that high

2416
01:38:22,940 --> 01:38:20,850
frequency gravity wave research so so

2417
01:38:26,270 --> 01:38:22,950
there's a sort of somewhat serious side

2418
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:26,280
to this that you know involves topics

2419
01:38:30,970 --> 01:38:28,890
you know that might be of interest just

2420
01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:30,980
just if you read enough intelligence

2421
01:38:35,930 --> 01:38:33,210
reports you know and I've got these

2422
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:35,940
90,000 pages of Stargate I've got all

2423
01:38:42,590 --> 01:38:37,890
the stuff that was being discussed back

2424
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:42,600
you know 20 30 years ago every weird

2425
01:38:47,390 --> 01:38:44,610
topic you could imagine that appeared in

2426
01:38:50,570 --> 01:38:47,400
a Soviet you know magazine somewhere it

2427
01:38:53,390 --> 01:38:50,580
was clipped analyzed notated the Air

2428
01:38:54,740 --> 01:38:53,400
Force's foreign technology division at

2429
01:38:56,690 --> 01:38:54,750
their own magazine where they would

2430
01:38:59,300 --> 01:38:56,700
report on these things the question

2431
01:39:02,360 --> 01:38:59,310
about the Soviets was a just Cold War

2432
01:39:04,310 --> 01:39:02,370
paranoia that any wacky thing they were

2433
01:39:06,050 --> 01:39:04,320
doing we had to figure it out because

2434
01:39:08,270 --> 01:39:06,060
maybe they had a handle on something

2435
01:39:11,150 --> 01:39:08,280
real well to a certain extent

2436
01:39:13,610 --> 01:39:11,160
yeah they I mean even after Stargate was

2437
01:39:14,870 --> 01:39:13,620
ended by the CIA if you go back and

2438
01:39:17,030 --> 01:39:14,880
actually read through some of the

2439
01:39:19,910 --> 01:39:17,040
documentation the letters that were

2440
01:39:22,430 --> 01:39:19,920
being exchanged it's pretty clear that

2441
01:39:24,280 --> 01:39:22,440
they were discontinuing operational

2442
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:24,290
remote viewing which was where they

2443
01:39:29,060 --> 01:39:26,850
would train intelligence officers to sit

2444
01:39:31,910 --> 01:39:29,070
down and record their thoughts and make

2445
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:31,920
it all classified and issue reports that

2446
01:39:36,470 --> 01:39:33,930
part of the program went away but that

2447
01:39:38,480 --> 01:39:36,480
didn't end the monitoring of a foreign

2448
01:39:41,420 --> 01:39:38,490
scientists it didn't end the monitoring

2449
01:39:43,730 --> 01:39:41,430
of paranormal topics that was ongoing so

2450
01:39:44,990 --> 01:39:43,740
they've always been looking at this

2451
01:39:46,580 --> 01:39:45,000
they've always been looking what the

2452
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:46,590
Chinese are doing what the Russians are

2453
01:39:51,650 --> 01:39:49,530
doing the Brazilians the Mexicans I mean

2454
01:39:53,990 --> 01:39:51,660
ever if you go into the physics archives

2455
01:39:55,930 --> 01:39:54,000
which is what we did earlier way back

2456
01:39:59,480 --> 01:39:55,940
when and you look at all of these

2457
01:40:01,340 --> 01:39:59,490
research and you know you'll find that

2458
01:40:03,710 --> 01:40:01,350
there are people here and all kinds of

2459
01:40:05,150 --> 01:40:03,720
far out ideas and physics from all over

2460
01:40:07,700 --> 01:40:05,160
the world and they are definitely

2461
01:40:10,310 --> 01:40:07,710
monitoring that kind of research I've

2462
01:40:13,130 --> 01:40:10,320
even found personal letters that will

2463
01:40:15,950 --> 01:40:13,140
address to a friend of the family back

2464
01:40:17,890 --> 01:40:15,960
in the 70s from a Russian researcher in

2465
01:40:20,090 --> 01:40:17,900
the CIA files

2466
01:40:22,700 --> 01:40:20,100
okay now this

2467
01:40:24,620 --> 01:40:22,710
interesting here when this stuff comes

2468
01:40:27,500 --> 01:40:24,630
out don't you think at that point it has

2469
01:40:29,210 --> 01:40:27,510
been discounted pretty much I'm sorry I

2470
01:40:31,130 --> 01:40:29,220
just watched the connection there for

2471
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:31,140
just a moment all right okay so when

2472
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:32,610
stuff comes out here that you can

2473
01:40:36,980 --> 01:40:34,530
actually look up and research and read

2474
01:40:38,900 --> 01:40:36,990
don't you think at that point that the

2475
01:40:42,910 --> 01:40:38,910
government no longer takes it seriously

2476
01:40:45,530 --> 01:40:42,920
otherwise they wouldn't release it well

2477
01:40:47,660 --> 01:40:45,540
you go back to the politics behind all

2478
01:40:51,230 --> 01:40:47,670
this there was a lot of political

2479
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:51,240
maneuvering going on and a lot of these

2480
01:40:55,340 --> 01:40:53,850
programs the DIA did not want to put

2481
01:40:56,630 --> 01:40:55,350
these programs out in the public and

2482
01:40:58,780 --> 01:40:56,640
that was part of the reasons they

2483
01:41:01,100 --> 01:40:58,790
transferred him over to the CIA

2484
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:01,110
they had requests after the Cold War

2485
01:41:06,260 --> 01:41:04,410
ended they requested that the

2486
01:41:08,720 --> 01:41:06,270
researchers here working on paranormal

2487
01:41:11,990 --> 01:41:08,730
topics they wanted them to cooperate

2488
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:12,000
with their Soviet counterparts and the

2489
01:41:16,010 --> 01:41:14,250
DIA had resisted doing that so there was

2490
01:41:19,460 --> 01:41:16,020
some political maneuvering going on that

2491
01:41:21,050 --> 01:41:19,470
basically took that program away from

2492
01:41:23,240 --> 01:41:21,060
the Defense Intelligence Agency which is

2493
01:41:26,030 --> 01:41:23,250
the military version of the CIA and

2494
01:41:27,200 --> 01:41:26,040
moved it to the CIA not a CIA at that

2495
01:41:29,480 --> 01:41:27,210
point they didn't want to have anything

2496
01:41:31,250 --> 01:41:29,490
to do with it so they basically hired

2497
01:41:33,950 --> 01:41:31,260
the right skeptics to kill the program

2498
01:41:35,510 --> 01:41:33,960
and just ended it but the sort of the

2499
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:35,520
story is of course then I was picked up

2500
01:41:41,210 --> 01:41:37,530
by the NSA at the NSA already had a

2501
01:41:42,890 --> 01:41:41,220
program that's kept on going Wow what

2502
01:41:45,110 --> 01:41:42,900
can I say I don't know whether to

2503
01:41:48,110 --> 01:41:45,120
believe any of this stuff but the other

2504
01:41:49,970 --> 01:41:48,120
question I have here is do we think that

2505
01:41:52,730 --> 01:41:49,980
maybe a portion of this information that

2506
01:41:55,510 --> 01:41:52,740
people like you who look into so-called

2507
01:41:59,600 --> 01:41:55,520
hidden top-secret information etc etc

2508
01:42:01,460 --> 01:41:59,610
you're just being goofed with they are

2509
01:42:04,070 --> 01:42:01,470
giving you a lot of nonsense so you'll

2510
01:42:07,070 --> 01:42:04,080
run off with it and say something or

2511
01:42:11,990 --> 01:42:07,080
maybe in turn they'll get whatever

2512
01:42:13,910 --> 01:42:12,000
information you really have well I think

2513
01:42:15,620 --> 01:42:13,920
that you know if you if you do enough

2514
01:42:17,060 --> 01:42:15,630
research where you actually you know

2515
01:42:19,700 --> 01:42:17,070
look three thousands of pages the

2516
01:42:21,140 --> 01:42:19,710
government documents which is what I've

2517
01:42:24,830 --> 01:42:21,150
been able to do since they released on

2518
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:24,840
that go in 2004 you could get a pretty

2519
01:42:28,550 --> 01:42:26,610
good picture from that many documents

2520
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:28,560
what was going on and how the programs

2521
01:42:33,530 --> 01:42:31,650
are run and who loved the programs and

2522
01:42:34,049 --> 01:42:33,540
who hated them and the the political

2523
01:42:35,790 --> 01:42:34,059
fighting

2524
01:42:39,449 --> 01:42:35,800
you know over the money that was

2525
01:42:40,679 --> 01:42:39,459
involved and so forth and I think that I

2526
01:42:43,709 --> 01:42:40,689
have a little bit different perspective

2527
01:42:46,219 --> 01:42:43,719
because before I did this research I was

2528
01:42:49,349 --> 01:42:46,229
doing my own research into the physics

2529
01:42:52,799 --> 01:42:49,359
into the the research that was going on

2530
01:42:54,779 --> 01:42:52,809
still in the 1990s in topics like you

2531
01:42:56,250 --> 01:42:54,789
know paranormal topics though what is

2532
01:42:58,529 --> 01:42:56,260
consciousness how is consciousness

2533
01:43:01,529 --> 01:42:58,539
produced in the brain it's called the

2534
01:43:04,020 --> 01:43:01,539
hard problem because it's it's a problem

2535
01:43:06,299 --> 01:43:04,030
for philosophers because I just can't

2536
01:43:08,609 --> 01:43:06,309
explain what consciousness is and then

2537
01:43:11,909 --> 01:43:08,619
you've got these topics that kind of

2538
01:43:13,500 --> 01:43:11,919
blend the two areas together do we live

2539
01:43:15,659 --> 01:43:13,510
in a multiverse are there parallel

2540
01:43:17,219 --> 01:43:15,669
universes is there a different version

2541
01:43:19,469 --> 01:43:17,229
of me doing something different right

2542
01:43:21,209 --> 01:43:19,479
now and is there any chance that our

2543
01:43:22,639 --> 01:43:21,219
minds are connected on some level where

2544
01:43:25,889 --> 01:43:22,649
I can get information from my

2545
01:43:27,929 --> 01:43:25,899
alternative self different universe that

2546
01:43:30,419 --> 01:43:27,939
I might not be able to access here in

2547
01:43:33,119 --> 01:43:30,429
the universe I'm and so you know you can

2548
01:43:37,439 --> 01:43:33,129
take this out as far as you want to but

2549
01:43:40,799 --> 01:43:37,449
from a more practical point of view for

2550
01:43:43,290 --> 01:43:40,809
the government at the very least they're

2551
01:43:48,020 --> 01:43:43,300
going to be interested in how can we use

2552
01:43:51,299 --> 01:43:48,030
this to do intelligence and that means

2553
01:43:52,829 --> 01:43:51,309
how can we take this information and use

2554
01:43:54,449 --> 01:43:52,839
it to predict things that might happen

2555
01:43:58,079 --> 01:43:54,459
that we hadn't thought of using our

2556
01:44:00,899 --> 01:43:58,089
regular models or how can we use this as

2557
01:44:02,419 --> 01:44:00,909
counter intelligence as a tool to gain

2558
01:44:06,479 --> 01:44:02,429
access into the other groups of people

2559
01:44:08,159 --> 01:44:06,489
and yet interesting and the thing that I

2560
01:44:10,469 --> 01:44:08,169
realized from reading Stargate files

2561
01:44:12,659 --> 01:44:10,479
I was rather naive when I first got into

2562
01:44:14,879 --> 01:44:12,669
this field and I asked you to explain

2563
01:44:17,250 --> 01:44:14,889
what was naive about that with Gary

2564
01:44:27,580 --> 01:44:17,260
Beckham joining us with gene and Chris

2565
01:44:33,940 --> 01:44:30,760
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2566
01:44:38,650 --> 01:44:33,950
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2567
01:44:40,420 --> 01:44:38,660
and great talk radio starts here hi this

2568
01:44:42,820 --> 01:44:40,430
is Ted Anderson if you'd like to listen

2569
01:44:45,460 --> 01:44:42,830
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2570
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2573
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2574
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:53,300
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2575
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2579
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2580
01:45:08,470 --> 01:45:05,930
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2581
01:45:10,090 --> 01:45:08,480
again that's GC and live.com hi this is

2582
01:45:12,130 --> 01:45:10,100
Ted Anderson have you ever wondered why

2583
01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:12,140
banks stockbrokers investment advisors

2584
01:45:16,450 --> 01:45:14,090
won't talk about gold IRAs they've been

2585
01:45:18,130 --> 01:45:16,460
available since 1986 yet the financial

2586
01:45:20,230 --> 01:45:18,140
industry won't recognize the value of

2587
01:45:22,780 --> 01:45:20,240
gold 4e retirement gold has outperformed

2588
01:45:24,550 --> 01:45:22,790
paper investments yet no word about IRAs

2589
01:45:37,970 --> 01:45:24,560
if you would like to have gold for your

2590
01:45:37,980 --> 01:45:44,120
[Music]

2591
01:45:52,130 --> 01:45:47,820
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2592
01:45:58,800 --> 01:45:52,140
standard of paranormal radio and now

2593
01:46:00,900 --> 01:45:58,810
here's Jane Steinberg ladies and

2594
01:46:02,580 --> 01:46:00,910
gentlemen as we get into the final four

2595
01:46:05,490 --> 01:46:02,590
segments of the show I have to tell you

2596
01:46:07,260 --> 01:46:05,500
this is a wild ride and we're taking a

2597
01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:07,270
rather fascinating journey with Gary

2598
01:46:13,230 --> 01:46:10,930
Beckham I guess you have to kind of stop

2599
01:46:15,810 --> 01:46:13,240
your disbelief systems you know put your

2600
01:46:17,820 --> 01:46:15,820
belief systems on hold and just listen

2601
01:46:19,710 --> 01:46:17,830
to this to see whether we have any

2602
01:46:22,170 --> 01:46:19,720
factual information you earth gene and

2603
01:46:23,820 --> 01:46:22,180
Chris you're in the power cast mr.

2604
01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:23,830
O'Brien you've been asked to fly on the

2605
01:46:27,690 --> 01:46:25,330
wall for the first two thirds of the

2606
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:27,700
show and I'm anxious to see where you

2607
01:46:31,470 --> 01:46:29,290
want to take it having listened to them

2608
01:46:33,540 --> 01:46:31,480
well I admire Gary's first of all I

2609
01:46:35,370 --> 01:46:33,550
admire Gary's tenacity to do the amount

2610
01:46:38,460 --> 01:46:35,380
of research that evidently you've done

2611
01:46:41,610 --> 01:46:38,470
and it's very difficult to filter

2612
01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:41,620
through a lot of this information like

2613
01:46:45,870 --> 01:46:43,410
you've done and and really come up with

2614
01:46:48,210 --> 01:46:45,880
solid information that you can really

2615
01:46:49,500 --> 01:46:48,220
take to the bank so to speak and I'm

2616
01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:49,510
just wondering where do you come down

2617
01:46:55,350 --> 01:46:53,290
Gary we've been talking a lot about you

2618
01:46:56,700 --> 01:46:55,360
know stuff that you've uncovered but

2619
01:46:58,740 --> 01:46:56,710
what do you think that we're dealing

2620
01:46:59,970 --> 01:46:58,750
with what do you think UFOs are do you

2621
01:47:02,790 --> 01:46:59,980
think we're dealing with a multiple

2622
01:47:05,940 --> 01:47:02,800
scenario here with various possibly

2623
01:47:07,770 --> 01:47:05,950
unrelated or even possibly related types

2624
01:47:09,120 --> 01:47:07,780
of phenomena going on are we dealing

2625
01:47:10,620 --> 01:47:09,130
with ETS are we dealing with meta

2626
01:47:12,510 --> 01:47:10,630
terrestrials are we dealing with ultra

2627
01:47:14,520 --> 01:47:12,520
terrestrials or crypto terrestrials I

2628
01:47:16,290 --> 01:47:14,530
mean you've done a lot of work you've

2629
01:47:18,270 --> 01:47:16,300
got a lot of contacts where do you come

2630
01:47:21,810 --> 01:47:18,280
down at least in the UFO part of this

2631
01:47:23,940 --> 01:47:21,820
well I think that might be one is that

2632
01:47:25,110 --> 01:47:23,950
that the UFO topic as far as I'm

2633
01:47:28,320 --> 01:47:25,120
concerned is still one of those

2634
01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:28,330
ambiguous areas I haven't seen enough

2635
01:47:32,430 --> 01:47:30,370
solid information to say that there's

2636
01:47:34,740 --> 01:47:32,440
definitely something to it other than

2637
01:47:36,600 --> 01:47:34,750
you know hints that once in a while

2638
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:36,610
maybe we detect something that does

2639
01:47:40,770 --> 01:47:38,410
something weird on our radar screens and

2640
01:47:43,530 --> 01:47:40,780
we can't explain kind of coming down

2641
01:47:45,990 --> 01:47:43,540
like I guess in the same same page is

2642
01:47:48,090 --> 01:47:46,000
John Alexander and his UFO book but the

2643
01:47:50,460 --> 01:47:48,100
UFO topic is only a small part of this

2644
01:47:52,650 --> 01:47:50,470
but the bigger picture from my point of

2645
01:47:55,710 --> 01:47:52,660
view is you've got to look at the fact

2646
01:47:57,300 --> 01:47:55,720
that we are in a very big universe and

2647
01:47:59,370 --> 01:47:57,310
not only are we in the

2648
01:48:02,250 --> 01:47:59,380
big universe but there may be all these

2649
01:48:04,230 --> 01:48:02,260
parallel realities and this is something

2650
01:48:06,150 --> 01:48:04,240
that actually isn't something that came

2651
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:06,160
from the imagination of scientists this

2652
01:48:11,220 --> 01:48:08,530
is something that's predicted in the

2653
01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:11,230
mathematics of the quantum theory

2654
01:48:16,410 --> 01:48:14,050
so if you take the mathematics seriously

2655
01:48:17,850 --> 01:48:16,420
you have to take seriously the

2656
01:48:19,050 --> 01:48:17,860
possibility that there are these

2657
01:48:22,500 --> 01:48:19,060
parallel worlds

2658
01:48:25,110 --> 01:48:22,510
so in this gigantic scheme of things the

2659
01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:25,120
chances are with all the time involved

2660
01:48:29,250 --> 01:48:26,530
you know how long the universe has been

2661
01:48:31,560 --> 01:48:29,260
around it's more likely than not that we

2662
01:48:33,990 --> 01:48:31,570
have been visited or contacted by

2663
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:34,000
something from somewhere else so that I

2664
01:48:37,710 --> 01:48:35,650
guess that's that's my point of view is

2665
01:48:41,100 --> 01:48:37,720
whatever that is and however it gets

2666
01:48:43,260 --> 01:48:41,110
here or however long it's been here more

2667
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:43,270
than likely there is something to them

2668
01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:45,610
so we assume then to take it a step

2669
01:48:50,370 --> 01:48:48,130
further Gary that the government or

2670
01:48:53,160 --> 01:48:50,380
different governments of the world know

2671
01:48:55,890 --> 01:48:53,170
this collectively or separately well

2672
01:48:57,720 --> 01:48:55,900
what they know is the big question of

2673
01:49:00,210 --> 01:48:57,730
you know ganic state the stories that

2674
01:49:02,790 --> 01:49:00,220
you've heard you know like the one about

2675
01:49:04,200 --> 01:49:02,800
the core story what it sounds like is

2676
01:49:06,870 --> 01:49:04,210
they know there's something there but

2677
01:49:11,370 --> 01:49:06,880
whatever it is it's it's outsmarts them

2678
01:49:12,930 --> 01:49:11,380
it's it's beyond but we can deal with at

2679
01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:12,940
a level of what you know what we call

2680
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intelligence and the government the

2681
01:49:20,580 --> 01:49:17,050
intelligence community is not prepared

2682
01:49:22,770 --> 01:49:20,590
to handle whatever this is and so it's

2683
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kind of this you know it's the 800-pound

2684
01:49:26,160 --> 01:49:24,610
gorilla sitting in the dark corner of

2685
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the room that you know is there and it

2686
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hasn't moved so you're just kind of

2687
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:30,010
waiting and you don't want to disturb it

2688
01:49:34,020 --> 01:49:31,930
so it's it's sitting there you know

2689
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looking over your shoulder issues you're

2690
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trying to deal with everything else

2691
01:49:39,240 --> 01:49:37,420
going on in the world so it's look but

2692
01:49:40,860 --> 01:49:39,250
don't touch until there's a reason to

2693
01:49:42,750 --> 01:49:40,870
touch it yeah from the point of view the

2694
01:49:44,640 --> 01:49:42,760
intelligence community now if you talk

2695
01:49:46,890 --> 01:49:44,650
to these guys that worked in

2696
01:49:48,390 --> 01:49:46,900
intelligence here just to understand

2697
01:49:50,370 --> 01:49:48,400
every time you tell me this I talk to

2698
01:49:52,500 --> 01:49:50,380
guys who work in intelligence and I

2699
01:49:54,510 --> 01:49:52,510
would kind of think that when they left

2700
01:49:57,630 --> 01:49:54,520
the intelligence world they were

2701
01:49:59,820 --> 01:49:57,640
admonished very seriously not to reveal

2702
01:50:02,460 --> 01:49:59,830
this why would they talk to Gary Beckham

2703
01:50:04,530 --> 01:50:02,470
well yes that's a good question no the

2704
01:50:06,930 --> 01:50:04,540
thing is first of all they're not

2705
01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:06,940
revealing anything that they know that

2706
01:50:10,830 --> 01:50:08,770
they've seen in classified documents

2707
01:50:13,830 --> 01:50:10,840
they're passing on rumors

2708
01:50:16,050 --> 01:50:13,840
day four from senior people for one your

2709
01:50:17,609 --> 01:50:16,060
dress well that's that again that's a

2710
01:50:21,149 --> 01:50:17,619
question that we don't know the answer

2711
01:50:22,979 --> 01:50:21,159
to obviously the whole point of I guess

2712
01:50:26,609 --> 01:50:22,989
that I was going to make is that this

2713
01:50:29,300 --> 01:50:26,619
core story is a story it's a story it's

2714
01:50:31,649 --> 01:50:29,310
not a hard set of facts it's not a

2715
01:50:33,450 --> 01:50:31,659
document it's tiny mj-12

2716
01:50:34,979 --> 01:50:33,460
you know bogus document or anything what

2717
01:50:38,189 --> 01:50:34,989
it what it is the core story that we

2718
01:50:39,810 --> 01:50:38,199
have that we know is real documents the

2719
01:50:41,669 --> 01:50:39,820
government gives us that's the best we

2720
01:50:44,160 --> 01:50:41,679
can do we've got 90,000 pages from

2721
01:50:46,169 --> 01:50:44,170
Stargate we've got you know other things

2722
01:50:48,419 --> 01:50:46,179
that CIA has released where we know that

2723
01:50:51,030 --> 01:50:48,429
the CIA directors in the 1950s were

2724
01:50:53,399 --> 01:50:51,040
interested in using UFOs which they did

2725
01:50:56,189 --> 01:50:53,409
not understand at the time for

2726
01:50:58,439 --> 01:50:56,199
psychological warfare purposes so

2727
01:51:02,220 --> 01:50:58,449
basically take advantage of a real event

2728
01:51:04,229 --> 01:51:02,230
to game their own advantage but then you

2729
01:51:07,020 --> 01:51:04,239
have to think if you're doing that

2730
01:51:11,070 --> 01:51:07,030
wouldn't the forces behind the UFOs say

2731
01:51:14,700 --> 01:51:11,080
what are they doing well ya know I guess

2732
01:51:16,500 --> 01:51:14,710
again the whole point is they intended

2733
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to use something they did not understand

2734
01:51:22,410 --> 01:51:19,449
for again for their advantage to gain

2735
01:51:23,790 --> 01:51:22,420
intelligence so they're willing to use

2736
01:51:24,839 --> 01:51:23,800
things they don't understand they did

2737
01:51:26,339 --> 01:51:24,849
that with remote viewing because they

2738
01:51:28,740 --> 01:51:26,349
never really understood what that was

2739
01:51:30,149 --> 01:51:28,750
either to gain intelligence about the

2740
01:51:32,790 --> 01:51:30,159
Russians for example and they were

2741
01:51:37,560 --> 01:51:32,800
spying on Russian missile sites and

2742
01:51:39,240 --> 01:51:37,570
things like that you know it's very near

2743
01:51:41,280 --> 01:51:39,250
it's very paranormally if you talk to

2744
01:51:43,859 --> 01:51:41,290
the average person about these kind of

2745
01:51:45,419 --> 01:51:43,869
topics they have no idea their

2746
01:51:47,609 --> 01:51:45,429
governments even been involved in this

2747
01:51:48,870 --> 01:51:47,619
kind of stuff but this is documented

2748
01:51:51,120 --> 01:51:48,880
this is the stuff the government

2749
01:51:52,830 --> 01:51:51,130
actually admits to having them so what

2750
01:51:53,939 --> 01:51:52,840
are they doing and in the secret worlds

2751
01:51:55,979 --> 01:51:53,949
well if you talk to any of these

2752
01:51:57,570 --> 01:51:55,989
intelligence guys they'll tell you that

2753
01:52:00,000 --> 01:51:57,580
we think it's happening in the

2754
01:52:01,500 --> 01:52:00,010
military-industrial complex that's where

2755
01:52:04,050 --> 01:52:01,510
they're pointing their fingers with the

2756
01:52:06,810 --> 01:52:04,060
military-industrial complex then be the

2757
01:52:09,660 --> 01:52:06,820
repository of the real information would

2758
01:52:11,070 --> 01:52:09,670
they be the keepers of the secret not

2759
01:52:13,879 --> 01:52:11,080
the government that private industry

2760
01:52:17,310 --> 01:52:13,889
because then there's no oversight

2761
01:52:18,419 --> 01:52:17,320
exactly well here's the thing if you

2762
01:52:20,100 --> 01:52:18,429
talk to these guys and they'll say

2763
01:52:22,530 --> 01:52:20,110
something like well maybe the president

2764
01:52:24,660 --> 01:52:22,540
doesn't even need to know well in terms

2765
01:52:26,700 --> 01:52:24,670
of the chain of command you

2766
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the president is the president you know

2767
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he has the power and the authority but

2768
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when you talk about compartmented

2769
01:52:33,960 --> 01:52:31,480
programs they call them special access

2770
01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:33,970
programs the person in charge that

2771
01:52:38,280 --> 01:52:36,130
program determines the need to know now

2772
01:52:40,950 --> 01:52:38,290
if they've got a big secret and they

2773
01:52:43,710 --> 01:52:40,960
don't want it to get out unless somebody

2774
01:52:45,300 --> 01:52:43,720
makes an official inquiry and they would

2775
01:52:48,120 --> 01:52:45,310
have to know about it to begin with to

2776
01:52:49,560 --> 01:52:48,130
make the inquiry then that information

2777
01:52:51,990 --> 01:52:49,570
can stay compartmented even though from

2778
01:52:53,130 --> 01:52:52,000
the president of United the President of

2779
01:52:54,450 --> 01:52:53,140
the United States I guess this is one of

2780
01:52:56,820 --> 01:52:54,460
the big discussions you know people say

2781
01:52:58,320 --> 01:52:56,830
you know ok we should ask the President

2782
01:53:01,710 --> 01:52:58,330
to reveal what the government knows

2783
01:53:04,170 --> 01:53:01,720
about UFOs so is the president just

2784
01:53:06,120 --> 01:53:04,180
considered well he's just you know a

2785
01:53:07,860 --> 01:53:06,130
renter as far as we're concerned he's in

2786
01:53:10,590 --> 01:53:07,870
here for four or eight years and then

2787
01:53:12,810 --> 01:53:10,600
he's gone so we don't worry about him he

2788
01:53:14,730 --> 01:53:12,820
does his thing and then he leaves but

2789
01:53:17,910 --> 01:53:14,740
we're still going to be here after that

2790
01:53:20,460 --> 01:53:17,920
president is gone so did we tell him

2791
01:53:22,550 --> 01:53:20,470
anything and if he asks what do we tell

2792
01:53:26,010 --> 01:53:22,560
them I it's nothing to worry about it

2793
01:53:30,180 --> 01:53:26,020
yeah that dovetails the into the to the

2794
01:53:32,460 --> 01:53:30,190
whole subject of disclosure aha that

2795
01:53:36,300 --> 01:53:32,470
dirty word disclosure okay Gary

2796
01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:36,310
we brought you into the mud well and

2797
01:53:41,430 --> 01:53:38,410
this is where it gets you know again it

2798
01:53:43,410 --> 01:53:41,440
gets very smoky in the mirrors you know

2799
01:53:45,210 --> 01:53:43,420
you can walk through this hall of

2800
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mirrors and you know all you're gonna

2801
01:53:47,910 --> 01:53:46,510
see is your own reflection your own

2802
01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:47,920
stash your own ideas your own

2803
01:53:52,740 --> 01:53:49,570
conspiracies as you walk through this

2804
01:53:54,630 --> 01:53:52,750
thing but ultimately what I think it

2805
01:53:56,070 --> 01:53:54,640
means is that the President and you know

2806
01:53:57,930 --> 01:53:56,080
even at the level of the President of

2807
01:54:00,810 --> 01:53:57,940
the United States what he knows is what

2808
01:54:02,910 --> 01:54:00,820
they briefed him on in that National

2809
01:54:04,530 --> 01:54:02,920
Intelligence Estimate when they sit down

2810
01:54:06,750 --> 01:54:04,540
at these meetings that's what he knows

2811
01:54:09,900 --> 01:54:06,760
it's just like this business we talked

2812
01:54:11,400 --> 01:54:09,910
about earlier with 9/11 they were

2813
01:54:13,080 --> 01:54:11,410
agencies there that should have been in

2814
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:13,090
the know they should have known the FBI

2815
01:54:17,640 --> 01:54:15,010
should have known they were al-qaeda

2816
01:54:19,440 --> 01:54:17,650
terrorists in Los Angeles well they knew

2817
01:54:21,570 --> 01:54:19,450
at least on the local level they knew

2818
01:54:23,130 --> 01:54:21,580
that there was something the foot there

2819
01:54:26,730 --> 01:54:23,140
was supposedly what more than 50

2820
01:54:28,950 --> 01:54:26,740
warnings that something could happen so

2821
01:54:31,170 --> 01:54:28,960
it was the local authorities not

2822
01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:31,180
conveying the message to the national

2823
01:54:36,690 --> 01:54:33,610
authorities well it's a breakdown where

2824
01:54:38,219 --> 01:54:36,700
information is held so closely that's

2825
01:54:39,750 --> 01:54:38,229
not shared and

2826
01:54:41,790 --> 01:54:39,760
and agencies are in competition with

2827
01:54:43,379 --> 01:54:41,800
each other with different agendas so

2828
01:54:44,669 --> 01:54:43,389
from the CIA's point of view they're

2829
01:54:46,859 --> 01:54:44,679
looking at these guys like this is a

2830
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perfect opportunity for us to get into

2831
01:54:50,729 --> 01:54:49,300
these guys we can turn them they can

2832
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become double agents and we'll send em

2833
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back overseas to where they came from

2834
01:54:57,060 --> 01:54:55,510
and they're gonna spy for us and we

2835
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don't want the FBI to know because this

2836
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is in the United States it's FBI

2837
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jurisdiction the CIA at one time I think

2838
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a lot of people realized that with Gary

2839
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Beckham we're exploring now so much

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stuff about government information

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01:59:56,590 --> 01:59:54,200
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2940
01:59:58,680 --> 01:59:56,600
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2941
02:00:03,790 --> 01:59:58,690
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02:00:09,959 --> 02:00:07,550
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2944
02:00:11,909 --> 02:00:09,969
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2945
02:00:13,919 --> 02:00:11,919
on the para cast with Jeana and Chris

2946
02:00:18,689 --> 02:00:13,929
Gary Beckham joining us the site by the

2947
02:00:20,129 --> 02:00:18,699
way of star pod org star pod org so if

2948
02:00:21,989 --> 02:00:20,139
you want to know about the things he's

2949
02:00:23,729 --> 02:00:21,999
working on the things he's researched

2950
02:00:25,799 --> 02:00:23,739
the things that he may or may not

2951
02:00:28,290 --> 02:00:25,809
believe in that's the place to go we can

2952
02:00:30,839 --> 02:00:28,300
only scratch the surface here because

2953
02:00:33,089 --> 02:00:30,849
that's where it goes so anyway are we

2954
02:00:35,250 --> 02:00:33,099
saying here that there are so many right

2955
02:00:37,739 --> 02:00:35,260
hands and left hands and the government

2956
02:00:39,899 --> 02:00:37,749
it's very hard to put a central picture

2957
02:00:41,580 --> 02:00:39,909
on anything yes and that's exactly what

2958
02:00:43,830 --> 02:00:41,590
they intend they don't want this

2959
02:00:45,120 --> 02:00:43,840
information on these programs to leak

2960
02:00:47,819 --> 02:00:45,130
out so the way they do it is they

2961
02:00:49,890 --> 02:00:47,829
compartmentalize different pieces of the

2962
02:00:51,449 --> 02:00:49,900
puzzle you separate them from each other

2963
02:00:54,299 --> 02:00:51,459
and they break the communication between

2964
02:00:55,890 --> 02:00:54,309
them in order to keep them buried deep

2965
02:00:58,229 --> 02:00:55,900
in the black part of the of the

2966
02:00:59,879 --> 02:00:58,239
government and so if there's information

2967
02:01:02,279 --> 02:00:59,889
let's say there was some kind of a

2968
02:01:05,459 --> 02:01:02,289
contact with an extraterrestrial maybe

2969
02:01:07,620 --> 02:01:05,469
let's say you know 1947 Roswell always

2970
02:01:09,270 --> 02:01:07,630
as an example so at that time that

2971
02:01:11,069 --> 02:01:09,280
information may be made it's the

2972
02:01:13,799 --> 02:01:11,079
president but at some point in time the

2973
02:01:15,659 --> 02:01:13,809
president set up a compartment at

2974
02:01:17,129 --> 02:01:15,669
programa and all that information is

2975
02:01:20,279 --> 02:01:17,139
compartmented and hidden into the

2976
02:01:21,929 --> 02:01:20,289
government deeply now is there a need

2977
02:01:23,850 --> 02:01:21,939
once that program has been completely

2978
02:01:26,009 --> 02:01:23,860
isolated from everything else is there a

2979
02:01:27,719 --> 02:01:26,019
need for that program to brief the

2980
02:01:29,699 --> 02:01:27,729
president if they determined that that

2981
02:01:31,830 --> 02:01:29,709
information should not go outside that

2982
02:01:34,109 --> 02:01:31,840
program well the other issue arise well

2983
02:01:36,810 --> 02:01:34,119
though the issue of our Roswell is that

2984
02:01:39,270 --> 02:01:36,820
it's always possible that all we're

2985
02:01:43,830 --> 02:01:39,280
dealing here with are some secret

2986
02:01:45,929 --> 02:01:43,840
weapons tests balloon tests and you know

2987
02:01:48,449 --> 02:01:45,939
they first report oh it's a UFO and they

2988
02:01:50,520 --> 02:01:48,459
get the story no this is a government

2989
02:01:52,319 --> 02:01:50,530
test you know tell them it's just silly

2990
02:01:54,750 --> 02:01:52,329
balloon let's just get rid of it and

2991
02:01:58,409 --> 02:01:54,760
they get rid of it for 30 years and

2992
02:02:00,839 --> 02:01:58,419
suddenly these people Charles Berlitz

2993
02:02:03,239 --> 02:02:00,849
Stanton Friedman William Moore start

2994
02:02:05,580 --> 02:02:03,249
poking their heads in there poking their

2995
02:02:08,009 --> 02:02:05,590
noses in there and they start getting

2996
02:02:09,779 --> 02:02:08,019
this information but maybe that's all it

2997
02:02:11,520 --> 02:02:09,789
was just something thirty years later

2998
02:02:13,709 --> 02:02:11,530
got blown out of proportion just a

2999
02:02:16,620 --> 02:02:13,719
suggestion it's certainly possible and

3000
02:02:18,959 --> 02:02:16,630
that's why I'm like I say I'm not I'm

3001
02:02:20,879 --> 02:02:18,969
not someone who pushes a conspiracy

3002
02:02:22,949 --> 02:02:20,889
theory I look at all of this information

3003
02:02:23,880 --> 02:02:22,959
and I try to evaluate what we can find

3004
02:02:26,190 --> 02:02:23,890
out

3005
02:02:28,530 --> 02:02:26,200
what we know and look at the motives the

3006
02:02:30,270 --> 02:02:28,540
sources the methods behind it what is

3007
02:02:31,950 --> 02:02:30,280
their agenda and try to determine some

3008
02:02:33,480 --> 02:02:31,960
of those things but you're right it

3009
02:02:34,890 --> 02:02:33,490
could very well be now the Air Force has

3010
02:02:36,870 --> 02:02:34,900
changed their story around as well I

3011
02:02:38,040 --> 02:02:36,880
don't know how many times and I think

3012
02:02:39,900 --> 02:02:38,050
it's interesting that there's no mention

3013
02:02:41,640 --> 02:02:39,910
of Roswell you know in these briefings

3014
02:02:44,100 --> 02:02:41,650
where the CIA director is talking about

3015
02:02:46,410 --> 02:02:44,110
briefing the President on the UFO tab

3016
02:02:48,750 --> 02:02:46,420
because those are now documents that you

3017
02:02:51,060 --> 02:02:48,760
can read online at the CIA's website so

3018
02:02:52,770 --> 02:02:51,070
there's a lot of questions about what

3019
02:02:54,750 --> 02:02:52,780
was really going on until there's more

3020
02:02:56,730 --> 02:02:54,760
hard evidence we really won't know that

3021
02:02:58,080 --> 02:02:56,740
the bottom line is if they want to keep

3022
02:03:00,210 --> 02:02:58,090
this stuff very they're going to do

3023
02:03:02,130 --> 02:03:00,220
everything they can to birria there will

3024
02:03:03,960 --> 02:03:02,140
be rumors people will talk about these

3025
02:03:05,940 --> 02:03:03,970
stories and that's what we've got that's

3026
02:03:08,340 --> 02:03:05,950
what's going to leak out but the actual

3027
02:03:10,740 --> 02:03:08,350
solid information the solid evidence is

3028
02:03:12,600 --> 02:03:10,750
going to be buried deep inside of this

3029
02:03:15,120 --> 02:03:12,610
military-industrial complex that that's

3030
02:03:17,100 --> 02:03:15,130
the story I get back from people like

3031
02:03:18,180 --> 02:03:17,110
Edgar Mitchell the Apollo astronaut who

3032
02:03:20,940 --> 02:03:18,190
walked on the moon

3033
02:03:22,290 --> 02:03:20,950
he's a firm believer that somebody

3034
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:22,300
doesn't know something that there's been

3035
02:03:27,030 --> 02:03:24,010
alien contact and that that information

3036
02:03:29,040 --> 02:03:27,040
is really deep in the military part of

3037
02:03:31,350 --> 02:03:29,050
the government and gene we we should

3038
02:03:33,600 --> 02:03:31,360
probably remind our listeners the gary

3039
02:03:36,750 --> 02:03:33,610
released a book last year called spies

3040
02:03:39,030 --> 02:03:36,760
lies in polygraph tape the subtitle is

3041
02:03:41,130 --> 02:03:39,040
knowing the future the UFO spy games and

3042
02:03:43,380 --> 02:03:41,140
pretty much everything that we've

3043
02:03:45,600 --> 02:03:43,390
discussed here on the program

3044
02:03:48,510 --> 02:03:45,610
gary does touch on in this book and

3045
02:03:50,730 --> 02:03:48,520
we'll have a link up at our site for for

3046
02:03:53,130 --> 02:03:50,740
our listeners to go to to Amazon or

3047
02:03:55,620 --> 02:03:53,140
wherever Gary would like to direct them

3048
02:03:57,200 --> 02:03:55,630
well we do have a link up already to his

3049
02:03:59,610 --> 02:03:57,210
site so if you want to leave it at that

3050
02:04:01,560 --> 02:03:59,620
Gary we're happy to send people to your

3051
02:04:03,420 --> 02:04:01,570
site and let them get more information

3052
02:04:05,700 --> 02:04:03,430
that they want to buy one of your books

3053
02:04:06,840 --> 02:04:05,710
fine okay so the book itself though

3054
02:04:08,610 --> 02:04:06,850
let's get into that because we really

3055
02:04:10,050 --> 02:04:08,620
haven't touched it really yet although

3056
02:04:11,880 --> 02:04:10,060
we've touched it but just haven't

3057
02:04:13,920 --> 02:04:11,890
referred to it directly what are you

3058
02:04:16,170 --> 02:04:13,930
trying to demonstrate in the body of

3059
02:04:18,180 --> 02:04:16,180
that book well the book itself is kind

3060
02:04:20,010 --> 02:04:18,190
of a it's actually a collection of

3061
02:04:21,900 --> 02:04:20,020
articles so it's a bunch of different

3062
02:04:23,910 --> 02:04:21,910
articles that we were publishing back

3063
02:04:25,470 --> 02:04:23,920
again going back several years ago when

3064
02:04:28,140 --> 02:04:25,480
we were dealing with Ron Pandolfi and

3065
02:04:29,700 --> 02:04:28,150
Dan Smith and Nizam Scott was out doing

3066
02:04:31,710 --> 02:04:29,710
her research and meeting with these

3067
02:04:34,590 --> 02:04:31,720
people and sending a lot of information

3068
02:04:37,050 --> 02:04:34,600
to us so it kind of covers again this

3069
02:04:37,870 --> 02:04:37,060
this whole idea of the blending of the

3070
02:04:40,030 --> 02:04:37,880
UFO

3071
02:04:42,280 --> 02:04:40,040
with the spy world in the spy games that

3072
02:04:44,860 --> 02:04:42,290
were going on and questions about

3073
02:04:46,360 --> 02:04:44,870
exactly you know what really was what

3074
02:04:49,060 --> 02:04:46,370
was it really about was it just about

3075
02:04:50,800 --> 02:04:49,070
you know was it a big game that people

3076
02:04:52,780 --> 02:04:50,810
were playing were these you know guys

3077
02:04:54,400 --> 02:04:52,790
just getting a good chuckle everyday

3078
02:04:56,920 --> 02:04:54,410
reading these articles you know about

3079
02:04:58,420 --> 02:04:56,930
themselves in the UFO topic those are

3080
02:04:59,800 --> 02:04:58,430
something more serious to it was there

3081
02:05:01,840 --> 02:04:59,810
you know what about this high frequency

3082
02:05:03,760 --> 02:05:01,850
gravity wave research these Chinese

3083
02:05:05,440 --> 02:05:03,770
researchers was there more going on

3084
02:05:06,850 --> 02:05:05,450
there so the hope the book kind of

3085
02:05:09,460 --> 02:05:06,860
covers a whole range it starts out with

3086
02:05:12,460 --> 02:05:09,470
a story of Ingo Swann who's the CIA's

3087
02:05:14,170 --> 02:05:12,470
original top psychic spy at the Stanford

3088
02:05:16,510 --> 02:05:14,180
Research Institute and a little

3089
02:05:18,280 --> 02:05:16,520
adventure that he had back in the

3090
02:05:20,050 --> 02:05:18,290
seventies that he wrote about in a book

3091
02:05:21,880 --> 02:05:20,060
that's not I think it's not about print

3092
02:05:23,380 --> 02:05:21,890
at this point the heroes story about how

3093
02:05:25,840 --> 02:05:23,390
he had been approached by a black

3094
02:05:27,670 --> 02:05:25,850
operation it wanted him to remote view

3095
02:05:29,110 --> 02:05:27,680
the moon use the psychic powers of

3096
02:05:31,150 --> 02:05:29,120
you've been working on her spying on the

3097
02:05:32,950 --> 02:05:31,160
Russians can targeted against certain

3098
02:05:35,050 --> 02:05:32,960
locations on the moon and when he did

3099
02:05:37,720 --> 02:05:35,060
that he saw what he assumed or

3100
02:05:39,400 --> 02:05:37,730
interpreted to be alien extraterrestrial

3101
02:05:41,470 --> 02:05:39,410
beings walking on the moon that's a

3102
02:05:42,880 --> 02:05:41,480
pretty far-out story and of course it's

3103
02:05:45,040 --> 02:05:42,890
just coming from one source coming from

3104
02:05:46,720 --> 02:05:45,050
English Wan sono we could assume he just

3105
02:05:49,000 --> 02:05:46,730
made it up we could assume that maybe

3106
02:05:50,680 --> 02:05:49,010
they wanted to test his ability and this

3107
02:05:52,420 --> 02:05:50,690
is part of a little game they played

3108
02:05:53,830 --> 02:05:52,430
with him to see what would happen well

3109
02:05:55,780 --> 02:05:53,840
certainly if you want to expose them as

3110
02:05:57,310 --> 02:05:55,790
being just a fraud you have them look

3111
02:05:58,210 --> 02:05:57,320
for something that doesn't exist and he

3112
02:06:01,630 --> 02:05:58,220
says well here it is

3113
02:06:03,820 --> 02:06:01,640
aha we found out he's a fraud right even

3114
02:06:05,920 --> 02:06:03,830
as a psychological test what will happen

3115
02:06:07,810 --> 02:06:05,930
how does his imagination respond there's

3116
02:06:09,730 --> 02:06:07,820
lots of different possibilities there

3117
02:06:11,560 --> 02:06:09,740
now he claims that after all this

3118
02:06:13,390 --> 02:06:11,570
happened the same group of people took

3119
02:06:15,670 --> 02:06:13,400
him to somewhere in northern Alaska

3120
02:06:18,190 --> 02:06:15,680
where they took him to encounter some

3121
02:06:21,190 --> 02:06:18,200
kind of a vehicle presumably a spaceship

3122
02:06:23,260 --> 02:06:21,200
from another world floating over a lake

3123
02:06:24,880 --> 02:06:23,270
in the story that he tells they're kind

3124
02:06:26,290 --> 02:06:24,890
of crouched down and this thing is

3125
02:06:27,760 --> 02:06:26,300
coming up over the water and it's just

3126
02:06:29,740 --> 02:06:27,770
starting to become visible and there's

3127
02:06:30,760 --> 02:06:29,750
like lightning flashing around it and

3128
02:06:32,830 --> 02:06:30,770
all of a sudden it's they're shooting

3129
02:06:34,090 --> 02:06:32,840
laser beams at the tree is that in of

3130
02:06:35,980 --> 02:06:34,100
hitting the branches above them and the

3131
02:06:37,630 --> 02:06:35,990
branches are falling off on top of them

3132
02:06:39,280 --> 02:06:37,640
they have to basically run for their

3133
02:06:41,140 --> 02:06:39,290
lives and get away from this thing do

3134
02:06:43,090 --> 02:06:41,150
you take that as a truth I mean is that

3135
02:06:44,830 --> 02:06:43,100
just a story you made up is it is it

3136
02:06:46,540 --> 02:06:44,840
real was it a real infinity experience

3137
02:06:48,190 --> 02:06:46,550
if it was real was it something that

3138
02:06:50,800 --> 02:06:48,200
they set up you know they could have put

3139
02:06:51,370 --> 02:06:50,810
lasers on a target and put fog around it

3140
02:06:54,330 --> 02:06:51,380
and

3141
02:06:57,010 --> 02:06:54,340
I mean it could be a psychological

3142
02:06:59,740 --> 02:06:57,020
operation so we don't know now there's

3143
02:07:02,680 --> 02:06:59,750
also a question about UFO events what

3144
02:07:05,710 --> 02:07:02,690
part of so-called UFO events are staged

3145
02:07:07,300 --> 02:07:05,720
and I go back and this is one where I

3146
02:07:09,040 --> 02:07:07,310
get ripped on every time I do it but I

3147
02:07:11,410 --> 02:07:09,050
don't care I'll do it anyway I go back

3148
02:07:13,360 --> 02:07:11,420
to Barney and Betty hill right near the

3149
02:07:17,050 --> 02:07:13,370
military base friends in the military

3150
02:07:20,500 --> 02:07:17,060
and these people picked up as the ideal

3151
02:07:24,820 --> 02:07:20,510
subject for tests and hypnotic

3152
02:07:26,860 --> 02:07:24,830
regression tests in a fantasy event what

3153
02:07:29,110 --> 02:07:26,870
do you think about that well I know that

3154
02:07:32,260 --> 02:07:29,120
you know if you read that kid green for

3155
02:07:33,700 --> 02:07:32,270
example he works the DIA he does some

3156
02:07:35,080 --> 02:07:33,710
consulting for him and he's on a

3157
02:07:36,610 --> 02:07:35,090
committee called the tiger committee

3158
02:07:38,830 --> 02:07:36,620
with some fairly high highly placed

3159
02:07:41,290 --> 02:07:38,840
people that used to be deputy directors

3160
02:07:43,480 --> 02:07:41,300
at the CIA and one of the things he did

3161
02:07:45,490 --> 02:07:43,490
was study basically on the mind how the

3162
02:07:48,340 --> 02:07:45,500
mind can be used in warfare in the

3163
02:07:50,110 --> 02:07:48,350
future he touches on that topic of what

3164
02:07:51,700 --> 02:07:50,120
do you think all false memory people

3165
02:07:54,370 --> 02:07:51,710
that have these alien abduction

3166
02:07:56,290 --> 02:07:54,380
incidents and so forth and more or less

3167
02:07:57,540 --> 02:07:56,300
you know here's conclusion there is that

3168
02:07:59,860 --> 02:07:57,550
these things are basically

3169
02:08:01,690 --> 02:07:59,870
hallucinations in the sense of the

3170
02:08:04,300 --> 02:08:01,700
doesn't believe they're real events that

3171
02:08:06,640 --> 02:08:04,310
took place but when they look at these

3172
02:08:09,010 --> 02:08:06,650
people let me analyze their brain they

3173
02:08:10,450 --> 02:08:09,020
experienced the same post traumatic

3174
02:08:12,550 --> 02:08:10,460
stress disorder that they would

3175
02:08:14,410 --> 02:08:12,560
experience if these had been real of you

3176
02:08:16,150 --> 02:08:14,420
I say about rating of real events

3177
02:08:18,880 --> 02:08:16,160
imagine events and other events

3178
02:08:24,460 --> 02:08:18,890
Gary Beckham joins us you're on with

3179
02:08:28,960 --> 02:08:26,740
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hi this is Clifford Cliff international

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director for the mutual UFO network you

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are listening to the parrot cast the

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with gene and Chris you're in the power

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Gary Beckham going far afield but right

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and the possibility that the government

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is generating different kinds of UFO

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related events that abductions could be

3291
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some kind of hallucination experience

3292
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vivid dream or something like that but

3293
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also the government is involved in

3294
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generating those events possibly to see

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how we'd react to alien contact so we

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get back to the D word disclosure let's

3297
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look at that for a little bit here do

3298
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you think the government has guilty

3299
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knowledge about UFO reality or they've

3300
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just been playing games because they're

3301
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just gobsmacked like everybody else well

3302
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you know I based on my own contacts I

3303
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would say the people that I have contact

3304
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with they're they're curious they're

3305
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interested in the topic they see a

3306
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utility in some situations for it but

3307
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they don't come off as saying that they

3308
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know or understand anything now that

3309
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said they may not be allowed to say what

3310
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they really know like you mentioned if

3311
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you've got a security clearance

3312
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you know you do topics that you don't

3313
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talk about so it's possible these guys

3314
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know a lot more than they're saying but

3315
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I haven't personally encountered anybody

3316
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that's going to come that's come forward

3317
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and said hey this is exactly what's

3318
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going on now you get those stories from

3319
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people like Rick Doty and Bob Collins

3320
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you know the exempt further disclosure

3321
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for from disclosure Collins book where

3322
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they talk about all these secret

3323
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programs and you know the alien

3324
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ambassador in Washington and stories of

3325
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these again I think it's the same basic

3326
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core story of three visitors that

3327
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Collins talks about I can't take any of

3328
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that seriously at this point just

3329
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because I don't have any solid

3330
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information that even begins to back it

3331
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up now when you talk about paranormal

3332
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stuff which I would say is primarily

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mental the psychic spying the things

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that happened in the brain when you're

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able to Remote View or see things in a

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distance there's a lot more information

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on that that's no documented in

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government files so that's some that's

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of different topics and that's kind of

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where I started in this field because I

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was interested in the mamillus mental

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phenomena

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lucid dreams people who were

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experiencing things like alien

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abductions or encounters they couldn't

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explain that seemed to be as real as

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their Orden you know has what we call

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reality to experiencing very vividly

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encounters with beings from somewhere

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else and I found that very interesting

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especially when you start thinking about

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famous like is it possible it there is

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such a thing as telepathy can brains be

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connected to each other somehow and

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share experiences in ways that will

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create these kind of you know

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hallucinations or dream events and if

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that's the case could someone or

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something with a very advanced

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technology induce those experiences

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using technology to create basically

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artificial worlds and I thought about

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that more I started to think that what

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in the future or if you were talking

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about advanced beings from another

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planet they need very well not

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experience reality like we do what we

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experience now is kind of the reality

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that's you know evolved with us over

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over time but in the future they may

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actually live in their own virtual

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realities that they create that might be

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the only thing they know as as reality

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that might be the only thing that their

3375
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consciousness experiences

3376
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it's like Tron where you create a

3377
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virtual reality world and it seems

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physical to you exactly so then if you

3379
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take that as an assumption and you go

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okay so what if that was the case and we

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did get visitors and that was the world

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they lived in what would it be like to

3383
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encounter a being using that kind of

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technology and and the conclusion I came

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up with was basically your encounter

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with a being in that kind of environment

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would be more like having a bad

3388
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hallucination then it would be like

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experiencing a physical nuts-and-bolts

3390
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technology so they never could be even a

3391
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real physical nuts-and-bolts reality

3392
02:17:12,890 --> 02:17:05,969
with UFOs if we take this particular

3393
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theory seriously I'm saying if you

3394
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assume that there's some virtual reality

3395
02:17:21,020 --> 02:17:18,780
component in this then we could say of

3396
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course that you can never take the UFO

3397
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experience seriously in that sense when

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they

3399
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we're looking at the matrix effect here

3400
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maybe our reality is nothing more than

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virtual reality if that's the case I'm

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living in a nightmare folks I want to

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get into a different reality actually

3404
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when you start to start to think about

3405
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parallel worlds and this idea that we

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are constantly branching into different

3407
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versions of ourselves doing different

3408
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things and you think about that as being

3409
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kind of a gigantic virtual reality in a

3410
02:17:54,100 --> 02:17:51,980
certain sense I have this crazy theory

3411
02:17:57,070 --> 02:17:54,110
that I sometimes think about which is

3412
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that as far as your reality is concerned

3413
02:18:03,600 --> 02:18:00,020
every so often you jump reality so

3414
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everything kind of turns topsy-turvy and

3415
02:18:08,170 --> 02:18:06,200
therefore you've lived in many realities

3416
02:18:10,750 --> 02:18:08,180
in one reality you're dead another

3417
02:18:12,640 --> 02:18:10,760
reality you're 90 years old in one

3418
02:18:14,080 --> 02:18:12,650
reality you're worth 10 million dollars

3419
02:18:17,820 --> 02:18:14,090
and that's the reality I'd like to

3420
02:18:20,140 --> 02:18:17,830
return to but whatever your lifetime

3421
02:18:22,420 --> 02:18:20,150
transcends different realities and your

3422
02:18:27,220 --> 02:18:22,430
consciousness moves back and forth or

3423
02:18:31,030 --> 02:18:27,230
maybe forward who knows yeah there's a

3424
02:18:33,390 --> 02:18:31,040
there's a Russian scientist Michael

3425
02:18:35,800 --> 02:18:33,400
Minsky who's kind of proposed sort of a

3426
02:18:37,600 --> 02:18:35,810
variation on this parallel worlds theory

3427
02:18:39,730 --> 02:18:37,610
that comes from the from quantum theory

3428
02:18:41,380 --> 02:18:39,740
with the idea that you consciousness

3429
02:18:43,720 --> 02:18:41,390
itself is kind of what separates these

3430
02:18:45,520 --> 02:18:43,730
different worlds and and in these states

3431
02:18:46,900 --> 02:18:45,530
we're not really fully conscious and

3432
02:18:49,030 --> 02:18:46,910
you're not fully unconscious you're in

3433
02:18:51,220 --> 02:18:49,040
this cutting Twilight Zone in-between

3434
02:18:52,870 --> 02:18:51,230
where you're able to access it some

3435
02:18:55,480 --> 02:18:52,880
pieces of some of these other realities

3436
02:18:57,760 --> 02:18:55,490
and bring that information back in your

3437
02:18:59,470 --> 02:18:57,770
mind so that you can in a certain sense

3438
02:19:01,630 --> 02:18:59,480
or that's what your imagination is as

3439
02:19:03,180 --> 02:19:01,640
your imagination is reaching into other

3440
02:19:05,650 --> 02:19:03,190
realities and gathering up information

3441
02:19:08,890 --> 02:19:05,660
and when you do that you know in a way

3442
02:19:11,320 --> 02:19:08,900
that it's very focused like they did in

3443
02:19:12,760 --> 02:19:11,330
the psychic remote viewing program what

3444
02:19:15,580 --> 02:19:12,770
you're doing was basically using a

3445
02:19:18,940 --> 02:19:15,590
really fine-tuned imagination to collect

3446
02:19:20,890 --> 02:19:18,950
information on some things that are in

3447
02:19:23,350 --> 02:19:20,900
different worlds but are very similar to

3448
02:19:24,940 --> 02:19:23,360
things in our world I may be trying to

3449
02:19:28,000 --> 02:19:24,950
find the connection so they're not

3450
02:19:30,220 --> 02:19:28,010
really going to another place here they

3451
02:19:32,430 --> 02:19:30,230
basically dropping into another reality

3452
02:19:36,371 --> 02:19:32,440
picking up some tidbits of information

3453
02:19:38,590 --> 02:19:36,381
bringing it back and that's why it's so

3454
02:19:40,451 --> 02:19:38,600
yeah that's kind of the idea I mean you

3455
02:19:41,710 --> 02:19:40,461
could kind of think of like what the

3456
02:19:43,661 --> 02:19:41,720
psychics did where they were trying to

3457
02:19:46,690 --> 02:19:43,671
see inside of Russian facilities that

3458
02:19:48,460 --> 02:19:46,700
it's another rule there's a maybe a

3459
02:19:50,230 --> 02:19:48,470
version of themselves it has some of

3460
02:19:53,640 --> 02:19:50,240
this knowledge you know maybe it was

3461
02:19:56,261 --> 02:19:53,650
collected some other way under normal

3462
02:19:57,850 --> 02:19:56,271
circumstances but they knew inside this

3463
02:20:00,610 --> 02:19:57,860
Russian facility there's a gigantic

3464
02:20:02,831 --> 02:20:00,620
crane so then when they connect with

3465
02:20:05,980 --> 02:20:02,841
this part of themselves in this other

3466
02:20:07,781 --> 02:20:05,990
reality which again we kind of think of

3467
02:20:09,430 --> 02:20:07,791
it as imagination they imagine this

3468
02:20:11,321 --> 02:20:09,440
giant crane in this building in the me

3469
02:20:13,150 --> 02:20:11,331
draw it on a piece of paper and when the

3470
02:20:14,890 --> 02:20:13,160
CIA gets their spine satellites up there

3471
02:20:16,180 --> 02:20:14,900
and eventually the door opens and lo and

3472
02:20:18,610 --> 02:20:16,190
behold that comes rolling out of there

3473
02:20:20,951 --> 02:20:18,620
but a giant crane that actually happened

3474
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at SR I when one of their psychics

3475
02:20:26,291 --> 02:20:24,051
Pat price was targeted as a test case

3476
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against a location in the Soviet Union

3477
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so you know it these kind of things that

3478
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happen they're very hard to explain

3479
02:20:37,480 --> 02:20:35,721
using you know any conventional science

3480
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and at the same time the intelligence

3481
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community has shown that they have no

3482
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qualms about using things they don't

3483
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understand if they think they gain an

3484
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advantage by doing so so my guess would

3485
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be if there was some kind of UFO problem

3486
02:20:52,810 --> 02:20:51,081
or you know alien visitation or whatever

3487
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it would be but there would be these

3488
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groups of people figuring out ways to

3489
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how do we use this stuff we don't know

3490
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how it works we want to use it for

3491
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whatever purpose we can put it to them

3492
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well that brings up a really interesting

3493
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point Gary and that is sort of gateways

3494
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between worlds you know the name KITT

3495
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Green has come up a number of times here

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today and there is a rumor going around

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that the infamous Bigelow ranch the

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Terry Sherman ranch better known as

3499
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skinwalker ranch featured an event where

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KITT Green was rumored to be the mystery

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physicist that actually witnessed a

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portal opening up in the air on the

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ranch and a humanoid type large creature

3504
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who kind of crawling through this portal

3505
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what sort of work have you done looking

3506
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into this so-called skinwalker ranch

3507
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case and have you been able to verify

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who that mystery physicist was I don't

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know I don't think it was keen because I

3510
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think he was brought in as a forensic

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consultant I don't think he was

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physically necessary

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at the ranch doing day-to-day research

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you know that dr. Eric Davis was there

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and actually I did get some information

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from the dr. Davis that I thought was

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3639
02:27:17,540 --> 02:27:15,840
okay so we're talking here about someone

3640
02:27:19,880 --> 02:27:17,550
who had this sort of lucid dream that

3641
02:27:22,429 --> 02:27:19,890
you're about to describe in our previous

3642
02:27:23,900 --> 02:27:22,439
segment and now we're kind of going down

3643
02:27:24,679 --> 02:27:23,910
the homestretch here so maybe you can

3644
02:27:26,929 --> 02:27:24,689
tell the story

3645
02:27:28,730 --> 02:27:26,939
okay well the story basically is that

3646
02:27:30,050 --> 02:27:28,740
they're at the skinwalker ranch and this

3647
02:27:31,880 --> 02:27:30,060
is the same place where you mentioned

3648
02:27:33,980 --> 02:27:31,890
the wormhole the portal or whatever they

3649
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had seeing open up and something that

3650
02:27:36,830 --> 02:27:35,010
they couldn't really see very well

3651
02:27:38,690 --> 02:27:36,840
looked like it had crawled out and then

3652
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the portal closed up and they didn't see

3653
02:27:43,880 --> 02:27:41,280
anything after that but in that same

3654
02:27:47,000 --> 02:27:43,890
general area one of the scientists

3655
02:27:49,670 --> 02:27:47,010
apparently had a waking lucid dream

3656
02:27:52,310 --> 02:27:49,680
those is it was essentially it hit him

3657
02:27:55,780 --> 02:27:52,320
into control of his goodbye he was

3658
02:27:59,900 --> 02:27:55,790
frozen in place he was unable to move

3659
02:28:02,210 --> 02:27:59,910
was unable to speak and then a group of

3660
02:28:04,880 --> 02:28:02,220
voices very I think the way they

3661
02:28:08,679 --> 02:28:04,890
described him as male voices very terse

3662
02:28:10,969 --> 02:28:08,689
just threatening basically telling

3663
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scientists that they needed to leave the

3664
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ranch and it held him in this kind of

3665
02:28:17,660 --> 02:28:15,540
state I don't know for not for too long

3666
02:28:19,700 --> 02:28:17,670
it's just long enough to pass on this

3667
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message and then they released in and

3668
02:28:23,330 --> 02:28:20,910
then everything returned to normal and

3669
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there was no other physical parameters

3670
02:28:26,780 --> 02:28:24,540
that they were able to measure that

3671
02:28:29,270 --> 02:28:26,790
correspondence the incident so it's one

3672
02:28:31,940 --> 02:28:29,280
of these very ambiguous things where it

3673
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happens to you you experience it but you

3674
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have no physical evidence to support

3675
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what it just happened but it was you

3676
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know basically the you know some kind of

3677
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a telepathic experience something that

3678
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took over his mind froze his body in

3679
02:28:48,860 --> 02:28:47,040
place and gave him this warning and this

3680
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was again coming from dr. Davis so you

3681
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know he was one of their primary

3682
02:28:56,420 --> 02:28:53,580
scientists there at the mids project

3683
02:28:58,761 --> 02:28:56,430
at the ranch I thought that was

3684
02:29:02,360 --> 02:28:58,771
interesting I did ask about that and

3685
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I've got a different kind of a different

3686
02:29:06,890 --> 02:29:03,780
set of opinions from different people

3687
02:29:08,750 --> 02:29:06,900
but one idea was that there may be some

3688
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kind of military hardware that's been

3689
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developed that can actually do this to

3690
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you

3691
02:29:17,270 --> 02:29:13,320
this could actually be some kind of

3692
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black ops secret research technology

3693
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that they are experimenting with maybe

3694
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they've been doing things on the ranch

3695
02:29:24,080 --> 02:29:22,500
maybe it was part of a psychological

3696
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operation and they didn't want anybody

3697
02:29:29,000 --> 02:29:26,850
there messing around with them and they

3698
02:29:30,980 --> 02:29:29,010
used this to to warn off the scientists

3699
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the other side of that of course is

3700
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there are people that believe it no this

3701
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is absolutely not something that we have

3702
02:29:38,570 --> 02:29:37,200
it must have been an alien technology

3703
02:29:41,570 --> 02:29:38,580
this is evidence that there was some

3704
02:29:43,011 --> 02:29:41,580
kind of alien intelligence on the ranch

3705
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didn't like the presence of the

3706
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scientists and wanted to get them out of

3707
02:29:47,750 --> 02:29:45,440
there

3708
02:29:49,190 --> 02:29:47,760
and close the third one is that well you

3709
02:29:51,950 --> 02:29:49,200
know Eric made that all up and it's just

3710
02:29:54,320 --> 02:29:51,960
a bunch of you well there's a fourth one

3711
02:29:56,690 --> 02:29:54,330
- Gary and that is the indigenous people

3712
02:29:58,551 --> 02:29:56,700
there they claim that this is a place

3713
02:30:01,460 --> 02:29:58,561
where skin markers come and go that

3714
02:30:04,370 --> 02:30:01,470
black magicians have been using the area

3715
02:30:05,870 --> 02:30:04,380
for generations it's a taboo area on the

3716
02:30:07,160 --> 02:30:05,880
ranch and not allowed to go there and

3717
02:30:10,070 --> 02:30:07,170
this does have a history that goes back

3718
02:30:12,850 --> 02:30:10,080
quite a ways which would possibly call

3719
02:30:15,410 --> 02:30:12,860
some sort of government or military

3720
02:30:17,301 --> 02:30:15,420
program they're in you know that theory

3721
02:30:19,910 --> 02:30:17,311
and the question but have you heard

3722
02:30:22,610 --> 02:30:19,920
anything about recent activity up there

3723
02:30:24,650 --> 02:30:22,620
I know you've looked into this case yeah

3724
02:30:26,330 --> 02:30:24,660
I haven't you know I and every so often

3725
02:30:28,130 --> 02:30:26,340
to correspond with George Knapp and of

3726
02:30:30,290 --> 02:30:28,140
course he was the author of the book on

3727
02:30:33,350 --> 02:30:30,300
the ranch which I highly recommend so

3728
02:30:35,120 --> 02:30:33,360
very well-written book it's an

3729
02:30:37,700 --> 02:30:35,130
interesting case for me because I've had

3730
02:30:41,060 --> 02:30:37,710
a few brushes with like poltergeist type

3731
02:30:43,670 --> 02:30:41,070
phenomena over the years and and of

3732
02:30:46,040 --> 02:30:43,680
course I've read the literature you know

3733
02:30:48,130 --> 02:30:46,050
you go back into the 70s and it was

3734
02:30:50,810 --> 02:30:48,140
Carlos Castaneda that wrote about the

3735
02:30:54,200 --> 02:30:50,820
the Allies they referred to as these

3736
02:30:56,301 --> 02:30:54,210
kind of massive beings that would appear

3737
02:30:57,860 --> 02:30:56,311
and and spin them into different

3738
02:31:00,410 --> 02:30:57,870
locations so you know and you basically

3739
02:31:01,970 --> 02:31:00,420
have that same picture of a being and

3740
02:31:03,440 --> 02:31:01,980
kind of a wormhole like saying that

3741
02:31:05,480 --> 02:31:03,450
spins and takes you to another location

3742
02:31:07,410 --> 02:31:05,490
you'll see that of course now in the

3743
02:31:08,939 --> 02:31:07,420
Harry Potter movies it's

3744
02:31:12,269 --> 02:31:08,949
when we move from one place to another

3745
02:31:14,939 --> 02:31:12,279
they basically spin out of one location

3746
02:31:18,210 --> 02:31:14,949
and appear in another location and in

3747
02:31:20,179 --> 02:31:18,220
that literature goes way back so it's an

3748
02:31:22,530 --> 02:31:20,189
interesting phenomena though it's it's

3749
02:31:24,210 --> 02:31:22,540
it's something I can't put my finger on

3750
02:31:26,250 --> 02:31:24,220
but I think there's some reality behind

3751
02:31:28,710 --> 02:31:26,260
it I don't know what it is well we do

3752
02:31:31,939 --> 02:31:28,720
know that the Uintah Basin area has been

3753
02:31:34,769 --> 02:31:31,949
a hotbed for paranormal and UFO activity

3754
02:31:37,099 --> 02:31:34,779
going all the way back into the late 60s

3755
02:31:40,559 --> 02:31:37,109
of there's very good book called the

3756
02:31:43,139 --> 02:31:40,569
Utah UFO display by dr. Frank Salisbury

3757
02:31:45,840 --> 02:31:43,149
he and jr. Hicks a regional investigator

3758
02:31:48,510 --> 02:31:45,850
there documented dozens and dozens of

3759
02:31:50,670 --> 02:31:48,520
very very interesting UFO sightings

3760
02:31:53,700 --> 02:31:50,680
right there around the region that the

3761
02:31:55,590 --> 02:31:53,710
ranch is located in so we do have some

3762
02:31:58,410 --> 02:31:55,600
sort of historical documentation going

3763
02:32:00,229 --> 02:31:58,420
back at least 40-plus years that would

3764
02:32:03,450 --> 02:32:00,239
indicate that there is something unusual

3765
02:32:06,030 --> 02:32:03,460
about that particular location again

3766
02:32:08,389 --> 02:32:06,040
which would you know possibly argue be

3767
02:32:11,130 --> 02:32:08,399
an argument against any sort of

3768
02:32:15,210 --> 02:32:11,140
potential government technology being

3769
02:32:18,330 --> 02:32:15,220
being utilized there so I you know I

3770
02:32:20,160 --> 02:32:18,340
don't know where you know where where

3771
02:32:21,929 --> 02:32:20,170
this stuff actually starts and where it

3772
02:32:23,610 --> 02:32:21,939
ends I mean you talk to the you´d up

3773
02:32:25,229 --> 02:32:23,620
there which I have and and they say oh

3774
02:32:27,780 --> 02:32:25,239
this has been something that's been

3775
02:32:30,540 --> 02:32:27,790
going on there for a hundred plus years

3776
02:32:33,330 --> 02:32:30,550
so it's interesting to me that we should

3777
02:32:36,330 --> 02:32:33,340
have location specific regions around

3778
02:32:38,610 --> 02:32:36,340
the world and in definitely here in the

3779
02:32:41,010 --> 02:32:38,620
southwest United States where this type

3780
02:32:43,830 --> 02:32:41,020
of activity does have a history that

3781
02:32:47,880 --> 02:32:43,840
goes back into prehistory so it would

3782
02:32:51,149 --> 02:32:47,890
sort of in a sense it says to me that

3783
02:32:54,540 --> 02:32:51,159
there is something physical at the core

3784
02:32:56,580 --> 02:32:54,550
of some of this type of activity and the

3785
02:32:59,630 --> 02:32:56,590
Sherman ranch case I think is is one of

3786
02:33:02,550 --> 02:32:59,640
the better examples of this particular

3787
02:33:05,760 --> 02:33:02,560
aspect of this phenomenal you know type

3788
02:33:08,790 --> 02:33:05,770
events other things going on out there

3789
02:33:10,710 --> 02:33:08,800
too and my brother who's a teacher's

3790
02:33:14,399 --> 02:33:10,720
film at the University of Utah Salt Lake

3791
02:33:16,800 --> 02:33:14,409
City he had a sighting out in the

3792
02:33:18,510 --> 02:33:16,810
mountains near in Salt Lake City where

3793
02:33:21,179 --> 02:33:18,520
he saw some kind of a black triangle

3794
02:33:22,679 --> 02:33:21,189
just kind of floating in

3795
02:33:25,170 --> 02:33:22,689
guy just motionless and you know

3796
02:33:26,609 --> 02:33:25,180
basically have no idea what he was

3797
02:33:29,239 --> 02:33:26,619
seeing I mean he's not the kind of

3798
02:33:31,889 --> 02:33:29,249
person who's chasing UFOs or you know

3799
02:33:33,420 --> 02:33:31,899
doing that kind of stuff I think it

3800
02:33:35,250 --> 02:33:33,430
really surprised him when he thought it

3801
02:33:36,750 --> 02:33:35,260
was kind of mystified by it so I think

3802
02:33:37,710 --> 02:33:36,760
there are there is something else out

3803
02:33:40,199 --> 02:33:37,720
there and I don't know if it's like

3804
02:33:43,529 --> 02:33:40,209
experimental aircraft or what what is

3805
02:33:45,149 --> 02:33:43,539
going on in addition to these phenomenon

3806
02:33:46,920 --> 02:33:45,159
you know that happened to people that

3807
02:33:49,739 --> 02:33:46,930
people experience there's probably other

3808
02:33:51,929 --> 02:33:49,749
things you know that are being seen in

3809
02:33:53,849 --> 02:33:51,939
the sky it's just a question of whose

3810
02:33:56,729 --> 02:33:53,859
are they and what are they what does

3811
02:33:58,800 --> 02:33:56,739
someone like a Gary Beckham do to really

3812
02:33:59,910 --> 02:33:58,810
get a handle on all this certainly

3813
02:34:01,710 --> 02:33:59,920
there's a lot of fascinating information

3814
02:34:03,179 --> 02:34:01,720
that you cover on your site and of

3815
02:34:04,949 --> 02:34:03,189
course your book which will mention

3816
02:34:07,050 --> 02:34:04,959
again in just a couple of minutes before

3817
02:34:09,809 --> 02:34:07,060
we leave but what do you do to go

3818
02:34:12,389 --> 02:34:09,819
further to try to really show once and

3819
02:34:14,460 --> 02:34:12,399
for all what these mysteries are all

3820
02:34:17,279 --> 02:34:14,470
about and how they relate to each other

3821
02:34:20,550 --> 02:34:17,289
if they do easy question Eugenie of

3822
02:34:25,349 --> 02:34:20,560
course but we why we never make it easy

3823
02:34:26,969 --> 02:34:25,359
on this show I think I think one thing

3824
02:34:28,139 --> 02:34:26,979
we can do is we can we can try to get

3825
02:34:29,939 --> 02:34:28,149
more openness from our government

3826
02:34:32,790 --> 02:34:29,949
because I would really love to see more

3827
02:34:34,859 --> 02:34:32,800
of the files play even the files that

3828
02:34:37,109 --> 02:34:34,869
are released for example from Stargate

3829
02:34:40,710 --> 02:34:37,119
lots of the information is redacted

3830
02:34:42,779 --> 02:34:40,720
removed out of the documents there was I

3831
02:34:45,269 --> 02:34:42,789
think ninety thousand pages released in

3832
02:34:47,130 --> 02:34:45,279
50 thousand that were still withheld in

3833
02:34:49,170 --> 02:34:47,140
most programs and you know what we're

3834
02:34:50,790 --> 02:34:49,180
talking about here you get if you go

3835
02:34:52,800 --> 02:34:50,800
through all the stuff and you go why on

3836
02:34:54,510 --> 02:34:52,810
earth was this classified you're talking

3837
02:34:57,080 --> 02:34:54,520
about a group of us but very small group

3838
02:35:00,870 --> 02:34:57,090
of people sitting in a room writing down

3839
02:35:03,059 --> 02:35:00,880
pictures in their hat basically and and

3840
02:35:04,590 --> 02:35:03,069
then classifying it and burying it as

3841
02:35:07,019 --> 02:35:04,600
deep as they could you know in special

3842
02:35:08,699 --> 02:35:07,029
access programs and then of course the

3843
02:35:10,080 --> 02:35:08,709
related research was like well how do we

3844
02:35:11,819 --> 02:35:10,090
explain this because they're gonna want

3845
02:35:13,710 --> 02:35:11,829
a scientific explanation for something

3846
02:35:16,019 --> 02:35:13,720
that makes no sense how are we going to

3847
02:35:18,420 --> 02:35:16,029
explain the need to research this and

3848
02:35:19,949 --> 02:35:18,430
you need to spend all the money on it

3849
02:35:21,719 --> 02:35:19,959
and I think you know we'll get into

3850
02:35:23,399 --> 02:35:21,729
these other topics I personally think

3851
02:35:25,769 --> 02:35:23,409
it's probably the same thing I think

3852
02:35:27,359 --> 02:35:25,779
that they probably have documentation

3853
02:35:29,370 --> 02:35:27,369
that there's some kind of phenomena

3854
02:35:30,929 --> 02:35:29,380
going on there they can't put their heat

3855
02:35:32,130 --> 02:35:30,939
but you know figure on it completely

3856
02:35:33,840 --> 02:35:32,140
they don't know exactly what they're

3857
02:35:35,110 --> 02:35:33,850
dealing with they know there's some

3858
02:35:36,910 --> 02:35:35,120
reality behind it

3859
02:35:39,130 --> 02:35:36,920
they don't you have a theory to really

3860
02:35:40,990 --> 02:35:39,140
explain it and they're kind of at a loss

3861
02:35:42,460 --> 02:35:41,000
as to what do we do with it it's like

3862
02:35:44,050 --> 02:35:42,470
again like I said it's the 800-pound

3863
02:35:45,940 --> 02:35:44,060
gorilla sitting in the corner and the

3864
02:35:47,260 --> 02:35:45,950
shadow you kind of know it's there it's

3865
02:35:48,340 --> 02:35:47,270
looking over your shoulder you're just

3866
02:35:50,800 --> 02:35:48,350
kind of hoping it just leaves you alone

3867
02:35:53,139 --> 02:35:50,810
I hope so too

3868
02:35:55,179 --> 02:35:53,149
the book by the way is called spies lies

3869
02:35:58,300 --> 02:35:55,189
and polygraph tape knowing the future

3870
02:36:01,030 --> 02:35:58,310
the UFO spy games tell us very quickly

3871
02:36:03,550 --> 02:36:01,040
where to get that book oh the book is

3872
02:36:05,440 --> 02:36:03,560
available at amazon.com you can go to my

3873
02:36:06,760 --> 02:36:05,450
website at Stark org there's me out

3874
02:36:08,830 --> 02:36:06,770
there if you click that it'll take you

3875
02:36:12,340 --> 02:36:08,840
right to the page of the Amazon the site

3876
02:36:14,730 --> 02:36:12,350
again is called starpaw org and if you

3877
02:36:17,770 --> 02:36:14,740
found what you heard on this show

3878
02:36:20,320 --> 02:36:17,780
fascinating from Gary Beckham go to the

3879
02:36:22,360 --> 02:36:20,330
site cos is a lot more where that came

3880
02:36:24,700 --> 02:36:22,370
from Chris O'Brien where do we find more

3881
02:36:27,099 --> 02:36:24,710
the stuff that you do well of course I

3882
02:36:29,650 --> 02:36:27,109
do have a web site our strange planet

3883
02:36:31,750 --> 02:36:29,660
com I'm a moderator at forum dr. Peric

3884
02:36:33,040 --> 02:36:31,760
ascom and I want to thank arey for

3885
02:36:34,389 --> 02:36:33,050
coming on the show and Gary I think we

3886
02:36:36,670 --> 02:36:34,399
need to have you back because I think we

3887
02:36:38,740 --> 02:36:36,680
just kind of introduced a lot of the

3888
02:36:40,570 --> 02:36:38,750
work that you do but there's still a lot

3889
02:36:42,130 --> 02:36:40,580
of topics that I'd like to cover and get

3890
02:36:43,450 --> 02:36:42,140
you back on the show and we really

3891
02:36:45,429 --> 02:36:43,460
appreciate you coming on

3892
02:36:47,290 --> 02:36:45,439
gary beckham thanks for joining us this

3893
02:36:54,020 --> 02:36:47,300
week on the power cast thank you very

3894
02:37:00,421 --> 02:36:57,511
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3895
02:37:03,440 --> 02:37:00,431
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3896
02:37:07,140 --> 02:37:03,450
presentation of making the impossible